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04-18-2011 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
commerce has unlimited free food for all us sick ballaz...braaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
(I WOULD LOVE IT IF SHE PACKED ME A COOKIE THOUGH)
She should probably step her domestic game up then. At least be half as good in the kitchen as you are at poker.
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04-18-2011 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
She should probably step her domestic game up then. At least be half as good in the kitchen as you are at poker.
lol, after 18 years i dont see a lot of game stepping up in the future (in either direction). at this point any game is great game.
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04-18-2011 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
lol, after 18 years i dont see a lot of game stepping up in the future (in either direction). at this point any game is great game.
Sigh, gg you

(Never too late to improve imho, gotta treat it like its the last game you play iykwim)
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04-18-2011 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
Sigh, gg you

(Never too late to improve imho, gotta treat it like its the last game you play iykwim)
agreed...gl @ the tables!
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04-18-2011 , 11:49 PM
Gg sir
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04-19-2011 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by crazynip
You sir, have it all figured out. Next time you are in Florida, PM me, let me know what casino and table you are on. I have to see your crushing style in person.
You are seriously mocking me for advocating raising AK pf and value betting stupid fish who will call down the entire way w/ a worse ace? This is the most basic strategy and one of the most profitable there is. Am I missing something? I'm not saying I have everything figured out, so I don't know what you are talking about.
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04-19-2011 , 12:11 AM
Maybe people should start posting when they do have everything figured out.
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04-19-2011 , 12:37 AM
MEMO

To: Former Online Players new to Casinos
From: NYCNative

When you drag a pot, please remember to tip your dealers.

Cordially,
NYCNative
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04-19-2011 , 12:38 AM
The only thing the online pros will have to deal with (if they aren't already acclimated to live games) is that the downswings can be alot more brutal in B&M casino IMO, based simply on the fact that you aren't going to get as many hands as you were 6-tabling online.

I played limit at both and I could always handle 200 BB downswings online better than a 200 BB downswing in a casino just from the fact that I knew I could squeeze in 400-500 hands over the next hour 6-tabling vs 30-35 in a B&M.

You have to put in days of live work to just to get what you were doing in a few hours before. Most successful live professional grinder I know (at Pocono Downs-Mohegan Sun), puts in 60-80 hours a week, and he hates his life.

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04-19-2011 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AnAceToAKing7
$2 an hour and four free nights a week?? Laugh at whatever you want fatty

That's room and board, and my momma didn't pay for my tuition like yours
$2/hour = $80-$120 per week...LOL...yes, seems pretty comparable to SN or SNE. Oh and what good is 4 free nights a week? So if you live in the casino you have to pay huge rates for the other 3 nights? Why would someone that is a full-time live grinder stay at the hotel 4 nights a week? I don't get it. Where do they spend the other 3 nights?

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04-19-2011 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by msd550
This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. Did you ever stop to think that 99% of the players aren't getting $2k in rakeback plus $500? If they were, the online rooms wouldn't be making any money. Most people playing online get barely anything, so you tell me how it's better than a casino's comps for your average player?

it is 27% rakeback, the affiliate makes 3%, that means the online room keeps 70% of the rakeback, it doesnt matter if you made 27k in rakeback, that means the online site made 70k off of your play. The more I made in rakeback the more the site made, its basic math...please tell me you dont plan on ever playing a math based game for a living.

In Delaware where you live, DP doesnt even have a hotel, so rooms are meaningless. Sure I take the occasional free room in AC, but its just a free room, I still have a house that I pay for whether I stay the night at home or not. The argument was that casino comps and bonuses are far better then online, its just not even remotely true. In the end the comp value is $1-2 an hour in a poker room, simply because poker doesn't generate the hourly per table profit something like black jack or craps generates. A free room does not add to your bottom line, what it does is fill up a vacant room so you stay and play more poker, eat more food, or even better hit the table games, etc...

On the other hand at 30 hours a week online i make $30 an hour with rake and bonuses, which is the better deal?
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04-19-2011 , 12:49 AM
Casino comps are better than online comps for the average player. How many people are sne? Less than 350 worldwide? How many people have top rated casino club cards? Certainly more than the number of sns/snes.

We're talking average players here. Its pretty tough to get nova or elite, you have to put in a lot of hours. Casino perks are easy to get and are worth more to me than whatever bull**** I get for being a gold star on pokerstars.
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04-19-2011 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
Casino comps are better than online comps for the average player. How many people are sne? Less than 350 worldwide? How many people have top rated casino club cards? Certainly more than the number of sns/snes.

We're talking average players here. Its pretty tough to get nova or elite, you have to put in a lot of hours. Casino perks are easy to get and are worth more to me than whatever bull**** I get for being a gold star on pokerstars.
even at 20 hours a week online you can make $2k a month in rake, bonuses and points, 20 hours live a week is a couple of free meals. You dont have to play mass mass hours to get far better online comps then live.

ok you only play 10 hours a week. Online = $1k-$1500 in perks, live? couple of burgers? I play both, Im aware of what casinos comp at poker rooms, its minimal compared to pit games
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04-19-2011 , 01:03 AM
If you figure out what you make off Stars per table it's probably less than a live casino. It's the volume that makes it better. Losing streaks or bust even streaks are the reason why I would never play live for anything but side job or entertainment money. Busting even for a month is pretty common live as you get in no hands. What I put in an hour at Stars 6 to 7 tabling I would have to put in for 10+ hours live.....
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04-19-2011 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by abstractls
even at 20 hours a week online you can make $2k a month in rake, bonuses and points, 20 hours live a week is a couple of free meals. You dont have to play mass mass hours to get far better online comps then live.

ok you only play 10 hours a week. Online = $1k-$1500 in perks, live? couple of burgers? I play both, Im aware of what casinos comp at poker rooms, its minimal compared to pit games
But if I only play tournies online, I'm not getting rakeback that I can live off of, especially if I'm not grinding a massive volume of them.

Also, lol at making 1$/hr with comps, that's pretty withered. At mohegan its $2 for 1\2, $3 for 2\5, $4 for 5\10 and $6/hr when they run promotions. Rooms here go anywhere from $79.99 with a poker rate to $500 on a Saturday without a rate and regs get 10/month. Not to mention free giveaways and free concert tickets that you can resell for a profit. That's worth more than whatever silver\gold star gets me on stars (which is absolutely nothing).

Just saying its easier to earn these perks then to get to sn/sne on stars. I def know more people with the highest rated casino cards than I do supernova elites.

Also, never underestimate the value of luxury and convenience - being able to sleep post live seshie without having to drive back home.
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04-19-2011 , 01:17 AM
rake is higher live and factor in tipping. 27% back is 27% back period, its more then $2 an hour (and $2 is at the best casinos for 1/2)
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04-19-2011 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by lefty rosen
If you figure out what you make off Stars per table it's probably less than a live casino. It's the volume that makes it better. Losing streaks or bust even streaks are the reason why I would never play live for anything but side job or entertainment money. Busting even for a month is pretty common live as you get in no hands. What I put in an hour at Stars 6 to 7 tabling I would have to put in for 10+ hours live.....
the rake live is pretty sick as well. full time 10-20 at commerce is $40,000 a year in rake. pretty steep for 25 hands an hour.

also if you tip $1 a pot and $5 per meal and $5 to the floor on average a day thats another $10,000 per year...$50,000 right off the top, OUCH!
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04-19-2011 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
Casino comps are better than online comps for the average player. How many people are sne? Less than 350 worldwide? How many people have top rated casino club cards? Certainly more than the number of sns/snes.

We're talking average players here. Its pretty tough to get nova or elite, you have to put in a lot of hours. Casino perks are easy to get and are worth more to me than whatever bull**** I get for being a gold star on pokerstars.
How many people have top rated casino club cards for only playing poker?

Most casinos do not comp **** for poker players. Free food that's it. Finding one that gives you free rooms is comparable to hitting a bad beat jackpot.
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04-19-2011 , 01:23 AM
Tipping is a personal choice though so you can't use that as an excuse. No one forces you to tip, you're the one who's physically pushing the chip(s) to the dealer.
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04-19-2011 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Floridahawk
How many people have top rated casino club cards for only playing poker?

Most casinos do not comp **** for poker players. Free food that's it. Finding one that gives you free rooms is comparable to hitting a bad beat jackpot.
I hit that once!

Anyway, you'd be surprised how many 1\2 players have the top rated club cards. All it takes is 40 hours of playing 1\2 each week.
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04-19-2011 , 01:25 AM
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But if I only play tournies online, I'm not getting rakeback that I can live off of, especially if I'm not grinding a massive volume of them.

Also, lol at making 1$/hr with comps, that's pretty withered. At mohegan its $2 for 1\2, $3 for 2\5, $4 for 5\10 and $6/hr when they run promotions. Rooms here go anywhere from $79.99 with a poker rate to $500 on a Saturday without a rate and regs get 10/month. Not to mention free giveaways and free concert tickets that you can resell for a profit. That's worth more than whatever silver\gold star gets me on stars (which is absolutely nothing).

Just saying its easier to earn these perks then to get to sn/sne on stars. I def know more people with the highest rated casino cards than I do supernova elites.

Also, never underestimate the value of luxury and convenience - being able to sleep post live seshie without having to drive back home.
http://www.diamondbonus.com/ac-poker...harrahs-casino

Mohegan is a diamond in the rough. Standard AC comp is $1 per hour at 1/2, so is most of vegas unless you go to the smaller rooms where they sometimes go to $2

http://www.allvegaspoker.com/news_detail_240.html

"Many rooms offer $1 per hour comps on their players card (MGM Grand, Caesars, Venetian, Wynn, Paris, Ballys, Flamingo).

Rooms that do not offer hourly comps on the players card include: Bellagio, Mirage, Planet Hollywood, Excalibur, Monte Carlo, and Luxor)."

It is mostly standard to be $1 comp an hour at 1/2 nationwide, with obvious exceptions.

At Delaware Park it is 20 cents an our according to this, but that seems lower then what it is, I think its actually 40 cents now

http://www.diamondbonus.com/de-poker...re-park-casino

So again at $1 per hour average for 10 hours of play a week, its $40 a month.

How in the world was the guy before trying to argue that it is better then online? It isnt, that was the argument, and its completely untrue.

You dont need to hit SNE to get 27% rakeback, 27% is standard base rakeback. SNE is like 46% I think

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04-19-2011 , 01:27 AM
I guess mohegan and foxwoods have been fairly generous to the ones who play a fair amount of time.
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04-19-2011 , 01:29 AM
I still feel that even if I made the $1\hr in comps its still better than what pokerstars offers for non sn\sne
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04-19-2011 , 01:43 AM
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I still feel that even if I made the $1\hr in comps its still better than what pokerstars offers for non sn\sne
You seriously dont know anything about rakeback at all then. You do not need Sn/SNE to make more than $1 an hour in perks lol.

Heck even at only 4 tables you could make $300-400 a month in rakeback alone. I play both games....ok...I use to play both games lol. I have plenty of live experience, the comps/perks arent even close.

update: I used the rake calculator, for 56 hours of play a month at 1/2 doing only 4 tables its $475 a month, not including points to buy merchandise which is probably another $100 a month. Lets face it, no one, even fish, plays 1 table online. but even if you did it would still be better, no tipping, no travel, etc.

On the flip side I love the social aspect of live, it is more fun as a game, but way more money online and in perks. Hence why i mixes both so I never grew to hate it.
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04-19-2011 , 01:44 AM
See above where I tell you that I only play tournies online.
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