So I was playing 1/2 at an Indian Casino in Ohio somewhere (don't remember exactly where) and the action before me goes: Open to $12, minraise to $22 and I announce I want to cold min4bet to $32. The dealer then tells me I can't do that and have to make it at least $44, "it has to be twice the previous bet". I point out that that's not true, and even if it was then the 2nd raise would've had to be to $24 not $22. She calls the floor and the floor comes over and agrees that each raise has to be at least twice the previous raise excluding the 3rd bet preflop for no reason. I asked if it was a special house rule and she said no these are just the normal rules.

So what's my line here, can I do anything or do I just have to accept that we're playing with incorrect rules?

If this is the house rule, then it's the house rule. You must play by the rules of the house.

If you think the floor is wrong, ask for a shift manager.

Once again a NL vs Limit mistake from the floor

Yes TECHNICALLY you are correct. That the 2nd min bet for you from 12 to 22 IS 32.

But because NL goes so slowly in the first place, and not confusing the other people at the table, at this point a 3 bet should be double the previous bet. For the sake of simplicity to keep the game going for no other reason. And your still getting the same exact donk odds (which any min bet really is) of a 32 dollar bet and a 44 dollar bet...

How do you remember exact dollar amounts but forget what casino you were playing at?

I call BS. There are no Indian Casinos in Ohio.

If you actually said this nonsense out loud, I think ruling against you is the right call.

Jeff

Second this


And the raise is to 32...but tl;dr

There exist casinos where the house rule is that raises must double the previous bet. We have no way of knowing if the floor was wrong (other than the claim that this is the rule everywhere--that's wrong).

Your line here is to say "ok, then $44 it is". And afterwards, away from the table, chat with the floor, or wait and chat with the poker room manager some other time. But for the moment, you're pretty much stuck with playing by the rules as this particular floor is interpreting them.

Was there a big poster "HOME RULES:" in the cardroom?

OK IFlat, is this story real or not? Where? Hard to believe you've played so much poker that you can't even remember which state you were in. What did you actually say; "I want to cold min4bet to $32"?

Your raise is twice the previous raise, so doesn't that mean the floor ruled in your favor?

lol

Tell the floor they are morons and that you want to bet large sums of money that you are right

No Indian poker rooms in Ohio. There are poker rooms in Indiana.

That said, why on earth would someone want to min 4bet in a live game? If Hero has AA, then the person who 3bet is getting odds to call with ATC. The original raiser should call with anything other than 32 or garbage like that.

Surprised a poster with 5k posts does BS like this.

Double the previous bet is a rule in many card rooms. It was explained to me that this prevents collusion and helps preserve the integrity of the game. In your example, where I play, the initial raise to $12, then re-raise to $22 would have been stopped there. 12*2=24 for the math impaired. Your actual re-raise would have to be to $48.

Oh... and lol at Ohio!

This is pretty wrong, at least IMO... oh and RRoP as well. It's possible that the room the poster above plays in is different from most other poker rooms though.

The most common rule in most rooms is the previous bet or raise must be doubled.

If the first bet was $2 then it was raised to $12, the raise is $10 and that is the amount that has to be doubled.

$2 + $10 = $12 +$10 = $22 +$10 = $32

In bar leagues and pub poker, the uninitiated will insist that the last bet be doubled, no matter what the raise may have been leading to that last bet.

Floor must not have understood the betting or the OP remembers it wrong, possible since the OP cannot recall what casino he was in.

Or at the Planet Hollywood Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas up until like a year or two ago. Poker manager there just had his own beliefs and insisted that forcing the bets to double made for a better game and he didn't care what every other room in the county did, he was doing things his way.

They did finally stop that silliness. (Not so much that the double-your-bet thing is silly--it makes some sense--but imposing a personal whim on one room in a city of 60 poker rooms is just dumb. There is much to be said for uniformity, long as it's not uniformly stupid.

The California Grand, which boasts the oldest poker room in the country (and perhaps the world), uses the double-the-bet rule. It's not generally a problem.

I've played in both types of rooms, and as Pfapfap says... Cal Grand been doing it forever... not a problem. As long as you know the rules prior to sitting down, it don't really matter.

This is why there's confusion and head-scratching about what the proper bet is. The min-4bet is such a wierd non-sensical play. What's the point? It's not going to chase anyone out, heck you can't even win any Sklansky bucks as your not charging the draws enough.

Oh yeah it was actually Michigan, and I think it was called Soaring Eagle or soemthing like that? I'm from UK and was just on holiday in USA and a friend took me to the casino so I didn't really pay much attention to what it was called.

I actually didn't announce I was going to raise to $32, I think I said something along the lines of "lol maybe I should raise to $32", I just couldn't be bothered to explain that in OP and the outcome is exactly the same (they were like "You can't raise to $32!!!!!"). I was actually considering it though because the table was really nitty and I wanted to generate some action by making stupid plays.

I specifically asked if there were any special house rules and they said no, but thanks for the serious response.. This sounds like what I should've done.

It's real, though if you really want I can get the 2p2er I was with to confirm lol.

Yeah it was this http://www.soaringeaglecasino.com/

I believe this is part of the problem. You are simply incorrect. The previous bet or raise need not be doubled.

The raise must be at least as much a sthe previous bet or raise. So if the previous bet or raise was $10. Your raise must be $10 (if it had to be doubled it would be $20) .... I know you meant that, but its actually the improper use of the word double that causes the problem.


Lets say it again the right way:

The common rule is that any raise must be at least as much as the previous bet or raise ............

The problem here is that you're expecting them to know how their rules differ from the official universal poker rule book. Except there isn't an official universal poker rule book. There are several public sources for rules, and those even conflict with each other. In effect, all of their rules are special house rules.

So asking the house "do you have any strange rules I need to know about" may not be particularly fruitful.

Doesn't hurt to ask, though, since some rooms do fully realize that they use odd rules. They see people tripped up by them frequently, and often the dealers and floors KNOW the rules are weird but their job is to enforce the room's rules, not to complain to the poker room manager every day that the rules are stupid. There are even rooms where the rules are so well known to be problematic that every time a new player sits at the table the dealer will launch into a 20 second speech about particular oddities of their rules.

Yes. OP needs to realize there is an entire world that doesn't have the same life experiences as he does. He probably grew up writing "colour" and "lols!" every time he sees it misspelled.

I'm also of the opinion that most places say you need to at least match the raise amount of the previous bet or raise, but apparently in Michigan they do things differently and, of course, think that their way is the standard way of the poker world.