75/150 OE game. Amazing lineup, amazing game, and I'm running pretty good. Pretty big pot occurs in the Omaha8 portion.

Guy limps, I raise AQxx63ss, two callers, limper calls. Flop AA5ss, checks to the limper who bets, I raise, one coldcall, limper calls. Turn Qx, checks to limper who bets, I raise, coldcall again, limper 3bets, I 4bet, coldcall again, limper calls.

River is an offsuit 7, checks to me and I decide I'm getting quartered here too much to bet so I check behind. Coldcaller shows 246J with 3 spades and limper shows AK97. Pot is getting chopped by the dealer when we start discussing how big the pot was for how big the game was playing. We're playing with mostly all green chips but the coldcaller was using black chips for some bets on the turn. I believe 4 were used.

Anyway, the play of the hand is irrelevant (but hilarious!), but the dealer messes up while chopping the pot. The stacks are indeed even, with two big stacks and two smaller stacks. I'm in the 9 seat, limper is in the 8 seat and the guy who had the low is in the 4 seat. Dealer wasn't very good at deciding who gets how much so he gives the 4 seat and myself each one of the two big stacks, then gives a short stack to the guy with the low and then the other one to the guy with AK97. Someone corrects him and says that he wasn't supposed to get anything back, so the dealer gives the guy with the low that stack too.

I imagine this is partly my fault because I should've immediately noticed what went on but I was distracted with the conversation. As soon as we gather the stacks of chips I notice I have less chips than I actually started the hand with. About $100 less actually. We realize what happened and call the floor over, he says they'll check the tape and get back to me.

About an hour goes by, a long time and I'm a little worried. So the floor comes over and with a glowing tone says "we identified the problem, turns out the 4 seat received both smaller stacks when he should've only got one." Great, our hypothesis was correct.

"How much was it?" I ask.
"We can't tell you."

...

What?

"Surveillance isn't allowed to tell you how much it is. So, sir (motions to the 4 seat), please give this gentleman what you think is right)."

So he tells the 4 seat who has a direct monetary interest to give me some random amount of money that he thinks I deserve. WTF? He gives me $250 which is about $400-$500 short of what it should be and I express my obvious distaste for the situation but he keeps saying "well I almost would've lost money on the hand if I give out any more!" No, you're an idiot, I almost STILL LOST MONEY ON THE HAND. Absolutely ridiculous. Seat 4 was definitely a regular and everyone else pretty much shut up at this point when it was a very chatty game before. I'm 100% sure he knows how much he shorted me.

Floorguy apologizes and gives me a $10 foodcomp. I probably could've gone off on him for trying to appease the fat guy with food but decided not to make a scene.

Foxwoods sucks.

"About an hour goes by, a long time and I'm a little worried. So the floor comes over"


I don't understand why you wouldn't stop play to wait for the floor. If I'm getting ripped off I'm likely laying down in the middle of the table and stopping play until this gets resolved. An hour goes by? Wtf?

I was pestering the floor guy several times. At first the guy said "we'll check with surveillance, my shift is ending, I'll pass it on to the shift manager" and I felt appeased. I've never had to go to the cameras before, and play had already continued from the hand so stopping it seemed dumb.

Foxwoods is THE wrost run poker room on the planet.

Maybe there should be a sticky in B&M warning players about the idiosyncrasies for each poker room. Sort of a 2+2pedia. It might be hard to do accurately but could help...

My criticisms entry for Foxwoods would be: Worst dealers collectively in the US (though I have never been to Mohegan Sun...). Anything that can possibly go wrong at the table will in this room. Floor decisions are inconsistent. Protecting your hand/pot/chips/etc. is especially critical here.

Having said that what happened to OP sucks and somehow I feel embarrassed even though I am only a semi-regular there. And as vigilant as I have been, I have been on the short end of a couple of "learning experiences". Horrifying that yours had such a large price tag.

There are some good things about FW but maybe now isn't the time...

"My criticisms entry for Foxwoods would be: Worst dealers collectively in the US (though I have never been to Mohegan Sun...). "

MS dealers are fast surpassing FW's dealers.

I imagine this is partly my fault because I should've immediately noticed what went on but I was distracted with the conversation.



cover your ars at all times ...

Where? What casino?

I was just trying to say Mohegan Sun dealers are as a whole beginning to surpass Foxwoods dealers in terms of efficiency, quality, etc. (In response to MR. Rick saying he hasn't been to MS). I don't know how to quote a line in a passage witout quoting the whole thing, if someone could pm me....

Anyway, sorry OP for your experience.

Tough break, good story.

I told a somewhat similar story and almost had my thread locked a few days ago. Good luck, although I have a hunch you won't be messed with.

I'm confused. You have AQ on an AA5Q7 board and you chop with an AK? Plus you check behind worried about being quartered? I'm thinking this hand must have been told wrong because a: it's not a chop. and B: someone who is playing that high wouldn't be silly enough to check the nuts on the river because they are worried the other player also has AQ?

wrt to MS- I still wouldn't make that my first B&M experience. Still too many mistakes for someone who isn't used to the flow of B&M to adequetely protect themselves. I still have dealers sometimes try to muck my (winning) hand, or when splitting the pot, stack chips in 2 even columns, and then slide the column with the 3 green chips to the other guy, trying to split a pot when I have won, etc. While it is better and hands per hour is up, cut your teeth on Borgatta or something, so you have enough of an idea whats going on to not get screwed.

I wouldn't say Foxwoods is the worst poker room room in the country, but it is clearly the worst big room in the country. I am always amazed when I hear about them having games like 75-150. They don't have the staff to handle a 3-6 game, so how do they handle 75-150?

The Dealers at Foxwoods have Cost me a decent amount of money.

One time i pushed all in at an NL game, a guy without 500 dollars less than i had called, and ended up winning the hand. The deal gave this man all the chips, and I said that i had more chips than he did.

The floor came over and asked the guy how much less chips than me he thought he had, he said something like 75. So i got 75 dollars back.

I've seen worse happen to other players.

Re-read OP. He's playing Omaha 8 at the time of this hand, there's three players in the pot, and the guy with AK97 was first given a small stack, but this was changed immediately after.

As far as the OP is concerned, we're discussing one dealer, one floorperson, and one angle-shooting regular. You may have a distaste for FW, but this could have occured anywhere.

Your post is vauge, but based on what it says here, it just may be possible that you could have done more to get your fair share in this pot. The numbers $500 and $75 don't compute in any denomination physically.

Does Foxwoods pay you?

I've seen pots pushed to losers, I've seen dealers reach way to far to muck people hands (when they didn't muck), I've seen dealers get abusive twards players, I've seen dealers deal slow intentionally at timed raked tables, man I've seen foxwoods dealers do all kinda of shady stuff.

I've played poker in many places, and I'd rank Foxwoods and Turning Stone to be near the worst.

I might as well ask if a rival casino is paying you to come on here and bash FW.

Your OP is vague, lacking in detail, and doesn't describe how $500 can be interpreted as $75. This doesn't make any sense in a NL game featuring any combination of $5, $25, or $100 chips. Please explain how you didn't make a bigger obvious fuss about this if you want people's sympathy.

They have been the only game in town for years. And they will run games that have enough interest to survive. So the people who play there pretty much decide whether they want to play big games or not.

I play mostly 20/40 LHE now - and there are relatively few problems. The players for the most part police the game. Recently there was an older woman dealer who got flustered and made about 4 bad mistakes in her down and several players walked her through the proper procedures (boxed card should be treated as paper and discarded, etc.).

I have seen horrendous Floor decisions at bigger games like 10/20 and 20/40 but one thing I will say for the Floors at FW. They do seem to be open to other opinions and I have seen veteran players take a Floor aside to explain what they did wrong and why, without embarrassing them publicly, and with the Floor listening intently.

Its probably much worse at 3/6 where players may not realize what proper procedure is and chaos ensues.

Yeah you are making a lot of sense. You said the OP's situation involved one dealer, one floorperson, and one angle-shooter, and then went on to say that it could have happened anywhere...

...except the floorperson and dealer work at Foxwoods. Yeah, the entirety of the staff at Foxwoods could work at another casino in one of your crazy alternative-universe scenarios, but they don't. That's the whole point of gobbo's rant, and how you missed that point and somehow find it valid to present the argument you have presented without satire or irony is completely beyond me.

I proposed that we have a kind of Foxwoods Low-content thread just like the Showboat thread that has kept going. It didn't take.

It's completely inconceivable how bad this post is. LOL @ thinking my point was that the staff at FW could work @ another casino. Go re-read, bucko. Point was that this isn;t so much a FW issue as it is a couple of bad employees issue. There are bad dealers, floor people, and angle shooting players everywhere. No reason to indict an entire casino because one pot was screwed up by .2% of the poker personnel there.

Do you play at foxwoods? The majority of chips at the level I was playing 1/2 300 max are the $5 dollar chips.

During the hand I am talking about I pushed all in and got called by someone with far less chips than I had. He won the hand and the dealer pushed him all the chips. The thing is he didn't have me covered. When I mentioned this the floor was called and figured the best resolution to this problem was for the man to be honest and tell them how many chips he had prior to making th call. He wasn't honest and claimed to have way more chips than he actually had. I ended up getting refunded $75 dollar in chips, when it should have been about $350.

If you can't envision this happening, I don't know what to tell you.

Long story short, you were not paying attention to whats going on at the poker table, got screwed over and got pissed about it after it was said and done and now you are looking for pitty.

Sorry, perhaps you will learn to pay attention to whats going next time.