ok live donkament new dealer comes in there are two people away from table right next to each other dealer deals one hand to both stacks. I get playable hands the first 2 times and open them. Then I get J3o and I point out to the dealer that he only dealt to one of the two stacks to force a misdeal. How unethical is that? I knew it was supposed to be a misdeal all 3 hands and didn't point it out first 2 because it was not to my benefit and pointed it out when it was. Is it my fault no one else noticed? Or am I required to point out rules mistakes when I see them?

I also think it's ******ed that the situation is a misdeal because of who the cards "should have" gone to but that's neither here nor there.

Most dealers hate any player saying the word misdeal as once it's spoken, players throw in their cards even if it isn't a misdeal.

Ethically you should have spoken up from the start.

And I would say, "I believe you forgot to deal in all the players. Does that constituted a misdeal?"

Saying it as a question stops a lot of the head aches.

IMO, if you know it's a misdeal and only speak up when it's to your advantage, you're cheating.

Players should not say the word misdeal, ever. They should point out the problem and let the dealer make the decision to call it a misdeal.

I've had players announce misdeal and throw away their hand causing a couple of other players to do the same thing. If it's not a misdeal, I push back (if possible) the hands and explain why it is not a misdeal and ask the player to not make similar comments.

"Wait, you forgot to deal that player in." is all that needs to be said.

And this is so very correct.

I should clarify I didn't use the word misdeal. I simply said "there's 2 stacks there right?" and he immediately said it was a misdeal as I knew he would.

Lol you honestly ask this question not knowing if what you did is cheating? Why is it that so many posts on here seem to be people posting their cheats and angles and hoping that others will tell them that it's okay. If you have to ask, you know what you're doing is wrong.

Yes.

No I was genuinely asking for next time. For reference I also posted this in the ssfr chat thread and the only response I got was that it was fine and saying they'd do the exact same thing. I mean my point of view is I paid my entry fee ($100 in this case) to have dealers worry about the rules, not me, so I shouldn't be responsible for speaking up to enforce the rules, especially if they go against me. But when a rule does hurt me obviously I'm going to speak up. But obviously I posted this thread because I did feel kinda scummy doing it and just wanted to know for future reference whether it was considered unethical or not.

How would you feel if others noticed but you didn't, and they had two shots at a good hand when they wanted?

We're all in it together in the long run, regardless of small bouts of friendly competition along the way. Live your life as you would teach your children to conduct themselves among their playmates. The rules of ethics and kindness shouldn't change once you hit puberty. It doesn't matter what the other kids get away with. Hold your own head up high.

I'm not sure why you posted this. It's unethical and you know it, otherwise you wouldn't have made this thread. Furthermore you probably only gain a couple of BB's by angling it.

There really are two kinds of people in this world. Some will give up the couple of dollars in exchange for the self satisfaction of being the good guy as well as the respect of other players at the table. The others take the couple of chips and happily enjoy their shrimp cocktail. Which one are you?

it's only a misdeal when it works against you. totally ok to play the first two times when you had decent cards and then complain the third time when your cards were less than premium. ignore all the haters.

it's kind of like complaining when you get a speeding ticket. i mean, you speed every day and don't ever get caught so it's well within your right when you finally do get pegged to complain a little about how the cop was out to get you and wouldn't even let you off with a warning.

Well, dealer threw one of my cards off the table, and I caught it and saw it was an ace and I protected it pretty fast, if it was a 2 I dont think I wouldve reacted the same. Didnt even think about the fact that it was some minor amount of subconscious card manipulation until I read this thread.

Although mine is a tiny bit different. There is some small chance someone saw my ace. I was willing to take the chance in order to get that card, I wouldnt have been willing to take the chance in order to get a 2. Also it was more reactionary than a planned decision.

I think what you did was understandable and since it was to have been your card anyway, it seems harmless.

However...

If the card left the table, even without hitting the floor, the card is dead. It should be shown to everyone and replaced. There is no option to keep it.

The reason being that if you give people the option to keep flipped cards and cards that leave the table, you open up the chance that someone will take advantage of the situation.

Take the first question and change it slightly, what if you busted out of the tourney on one of those first 2 hands because you didn't say something before hand. Would you try to get a misdeal declared after the hand was over or would you walk away from the table and not say anything?

Here is the thing: No it is not your responsibility to point out a dealer mistake, BUT since you, yourself feel that you did something unethical, you answered your own question. It depends on what you think is a grey area. Personally, I dotn even look at my cards till it's my turn, so my hand strength would never even come into play. I would tell the dealer about the problem and never even look at my hand before it's mucked, as that they would not have even been my cards to begin with.

He couldn't do this, because ant floor person would disregard the possibility of a misdeal after any significant action has taken place, much less the hand is over. But ethically your point remains.

Except that yes, it is your responsibility and obligation to point out certain types of mistakes, including many (if not most or all) dealer errors.

It is a house rule where, I play that if there is a bet out of turn and the action does not change then the bet stands. I agree with this cuz it stop people from trying to get a free card by acting out of turn. Anyways this occurred on the river in a hand that I wasn't even involved in. The player then was like "I check too," and flipped over his hand. I said "um your bet stands." the dealer was like," ya hes right." and the guy started yelling wtf, its none of my business.

same thing, no I don't have to do anything, but I saw an error so I pointed it out.

This is a textbook example of angle shooting; you know how a thing will be ruled, but only point it out when it will be ruled the way you want. Also, I'll not complain if people want to call this cheating.

Unethical, and awesome