I had a thought that I would like to ask my local floor but I wont be there for a few weeks so I will ask here.

Most casinos I have played in have a bad beat jackpot, usually the rules are quads or better has to lose with both hole cards playing.

The situation I'm wondering about would be a KdQd9d9c9h runouts where one player has JTdd and other has K9ss.

Should/would a floor rule that the Ks plays over the Kd on the board and validate the jackpot

I think the answer is either

1.) The King from the guy's hand plays.

or

2.) The King on the board plays.


I don't think this is ever going to be decided by suit anywhere.

I've heard that board cards take precedence over hole cards in situations like this. Like if someone has 56 on 234 flop, turn x, river 5, and the hand goes to showdown, the dealer usually bumps up the 2345 from the board

Correct. Room rules will cover it.


It's my understanding, suits only matter in stud games regarding where the action starts. Lower suit brings it in on the tie, Higher suit (if kickers match) begins the action on subsequent rounds. In some rooms, it may be based on position (to dealer button).

In the rooms I have asked, the player's card is used so your example would qualify.

I've seen rooms where suits are used as a tiebreaker for 2 players with the same straight flush for the high hand.

I've seen rooms where they just split the high hand money.

I've seen rooms where the first person on the board wins in the event if a tie.

I've never seen the hole cards used as a tie breaker, but this seems reasonable too.

In most rooms I have played in that wouldn't be a qualifier anyway, because you have to have a pocket pair to make qualifying quads.

Room and Promo rules would apply ...

In a lot of rooms that WOULD NOT be a BBJ hand since most require a pocket pair for any Quads. (So this really is a bad beat!)

In a lot of rooms that WOULD be a High Hand qualifier since the Player's hole card does technically play. But of course in this spot the straight flush is higher anyway.

In 'some' rooms the first HH wins the pot, in others they split the prize. Haven't run across using a suit to break a tie in a HH promo.

I believe they do use suits to break ties in 7-Stud and other similar games, but not NL or PLO. GL

Pretty sure they only use suit to determine who gets the odd chip in 7 stud. If two players both have a straight to the Q they still split the pot.

Agreed. In stud, suit determines bring in, and in some rooms will determine the odd chip. I've never seen one used to break ties in the high, for the pot or for HH bonuses or bad beats.

Whether a shared card in a players hand and on the board plays for HH and jackpots is usually a room rule. I've never seen the suit matter in this case, it's just whether the room considers the shared card to play from the players hand or not.

In your example, the K in the players hand would play and qualify for the BBJ in most rooms. This is of course assuming that the rules don't require a pocket pair for quads. Any room that would have the community card nullify the player's card has a pretty weird way of thinking or they are just trying to make the BBJ that much harder to hit. Either way, all BBJ rules are going to be spelled out in black and white in every room and you just need to ask each individual room.

Rule I've always heard is that you have to use both hole cards, not that you must have a pocket pair to make qualifying quads.

I've thought about OP's hypothetical before, but never seen it in play.

All of this is room-dependent.

From following 2+2, I've gathered that a slight majority of rooms require a pocket pair to have quads qualify for a BB. Mine does not.

A minority of rooms require a pocket pair to have quads qualify for a HH promo. Mine does not.

I've seen a post or two here state that their rooms would invalidate a BB/HH because a player's kicker matched the board's kicker. Mine does not and IMO that would really really suck but it is what it is.

I've never seen a tie broken by suit for a BB/HH qualifier. The only thing we use suits for is to determine the odd chip in cash games. For HHs, it depends on how the promo is written but we've normally done it where the current hand has to get beaten fully, as in a 6-high club straight flush would have to be beaten by a 7-high. It would not be beaten by a 6-high spade straight flush.

I allow ties for HH in my room. The only thing we use suits for is high card for deal or new seat assignments, stud bring in, and tourney chip race offs.

The Palm Beach Kennel Club uses suit to break a tie if 2 players have the same valued straight flush. If 2 players have the same quads with the same kicker they just split the high hand.

Most rooms that I've seen with a bbj require a pocket pair for quads.

On the other hand I've seen plenty of high hands that only require the winner to play 1 of their hole cards while those that require 2 hole cards don't specify a pocket pair for quads in favor of a kicker that plays.

I have always seen or heard tying board players card plays. As to must be pocket pair, I have seen that go both ways depending on room. Fairly even split but must be pp probably slight majority.

The problem I see with using suit yo break ties for HH is that it does not completely resolve the issue. Since we are talking about separate hands (normally) there is nothing to prevent having exact hands in separate hands. So using suits only reduces chances of a tie but does not resolve anything when one still happens.

So it still comes down to ties split or first wins.