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03-26-2012 , 05:33 AM
Does anyone ever see this done to avoid having their BB continually straddled? Absurd thinking since your post will be raised most of the time anyway, but that's why we play.
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03-26-2012 , 06:01 AM
I've seen it occasionally. This is why I don't announce straddles until blinds are posted and cards are being pitched.
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03-26-2012 , 08:09 AM
[rant]Some casinos, I believe the Empire in Leicester square is one, allow you to miss the blinds come back in the cut off and not post. Dealers are meant to watch for people abusing the rule but it really annoys me. Just asking for people to have one toilet break a dealer, and just not make it back in time.[/rant]
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03-26-2012 , 06:13 PM
That's how it's done in some nosebleed stakes games.

Big bet poker is a game of stacks, not bets. Nobody really cares about a missed blind here or there. The lower the stakes, the more people freak out over this kind of thing, and the more someone would try to take advantage of it.
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03-26-2012 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtlad
We have one guy at our local casino that does this. When action gets to him, he normally raises to $50 - $70.
Wow that seems like a dream. If he really does it "normally" like 75% of the time and no one else is attacking it you can pretty much shove any two for a nice profit.
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03-26-2012 , 11:04 PM
Today a guy at my local casino did this. After he missed the first rotation of blinds I just thought he went for a smoke break or something. After he missed the second and third rotation of blinds, I just laughed to myself and was tempted to call him out. He was a terrible player and dusted off $500 in about 2.5 hours so w/e.
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03-27-2012 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
So he decides to pay $3 for every 7 hands he plays, and the rest of the table pays $3 for every 10 hands, and somehow you think HE has the advantage?
I'm not so sure about this.

I'd challenge anyone to produce statistics showing me they're profitable long term out of the blinds. Blinds are bad news in a major way. So the guy's trading 2 forced out of position bets for his button. And when he does post, it's almost as good as the button.

I actually think this move would be profitable long term, I'd really like to see some studies on money made on the button vs. money lost in the blinds.

Also, im what way is it cheating? The casino sets the rules on what can & cannot be done, & whatever way people decide to go from there is their choice.

There used to be a regular at my local casino who'd basically show up to drink & socialize. He'd only show up long enough to ensure he wasn't double blinded, post & play a couple hands, then he'd be off again. Was the most annoying thing ever, but I avoided table change cause he was such a donkey when he did actually play.

Last edited by Buggle; 03-27-2012 at 03:04 AM.
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03-27-2012 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Buggle
I'm not so sure about this.

I'd challenge anyone to produce statistics showing me they're profitable long term out of the blinds. Blinds are bad news in a major way. So the guy's trading 2 forced out of position bets for his button. And when he does post, it's almost as good as the button.

I actually think this move would be profitable long term, I'd really like to see some studies on money made on the button vs. money lost in the blinds.
You've missed the fact that if someone does this, they lose their button every time. So if they're unprofitable from the blinds it should be counteracted by how profitable the button is.
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03-27-2012 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AceCroupier
You've missed the fact that if someone does this, they lose their button every time. So if they're unprofitable from the blinds it should be counteracted by how profitable the button is.
No I didn't miss this. That's why I said I'd like to see a study on money made on the button vs. money lost out of the blinds. I'm of the opinion blinds are much more unprofitable than the button is profitable. It's almost impossible to maximize any kind of value out of the blinds. In addition there are two hands played out of position, vs. one hand played in position when posting in the CO.

Nothing definitive, but I'd really like to see someone's actual numbers on this.
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03-27-2012 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by psujohn
Wow that seems like a dream. If he really does it "normally" like 75% of the time and no one else is attacking it you can pretty much shove any two for a nice profit.
Perhaps I think too much, but it is harder than you think. Half the table still limps into him, so his bet will normally net him $9 or so. Some of those people may be smart enough to trap with a big hand, so I think your range needs to be higher than ATC. If anyone shoves into him, he just folds and takes the $3 loss.

Although I did get him for $400 one hand trapping him.
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03-27-2012 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtlad
Perhaps I think too much, but it is harder than you think. Half the table still limps into him, so his bet will normally net him $9 or so. Some of those people may be smart enough to trap with a big hand, so I think your range needs to be higher than ATC. If anyone shoves into him, he just folds and takes the $3 loss.

Although I did get him for $400 one hand trapping him.
Well I'm over simplifying because there are others at the table but a guy who posts from the CO and regularly makes a huge overbet is free money in the same was as a guy who straddles and regularly makes huge overbets. They're relying on the fact that at most LSSNL tables people who limp have a pretty weak overall range and people fold to big overbets too often.

Ideally you'd want to sit to this guy's immediate right. If it limps along to him you'd plan to limp/shove a wide range if he made the overbet and it folded back to you. How wide a range depends of course on how he reacts to your shove but I'd guess he's going to fold to your shove too often so you should limp/shove something like 80 or 90% of your hands.
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03-27-2012 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Buggle
No I didn't miss this. That's why I said I'd like to see a study on money made on the button vs. money lost out of the blinds. I'm of the opinion blinds are much more unprofitable than the button is profitable. It's almost impossible to maximize any kind of value out of the blinds. In addition there are two hands played out of position, vs. one hand played in position when posting in the CO.

Nothing definitive, but I'd really like to see someone's actual numbers on this.
Its an interesting thought, but theres no way we can answer it. The only hope is to use someones online stats. But obviously online stats dont translate all that well.
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