1/2 cash game at Indian casino.

I opened pre for $13, or so, throwing my chips over the betting line. One of the chips landed funny and rolled in the center area of the table, and out of the betting line - kind of a long roll. Dealer snags the chip and throws it back at my stack. I didn't say anything, but thought "wtf?"

Later on, same thing happened with a little old lady. A red and a couple whites rolled out of the betting area for her, and the dealer did the same thing, throwing the chips back at her stack. She objected, and a couple other players at the table objected as well. The dealer claimed that it was your responsibility to ensure that your chips don't leave the betting area, or else they won't count, and was actually getting quite heated that people were questioning his ruling on the matter.

They should count, though, correct? Forward motion + over the betting line, right?

Someone called floor, and I don't really know how to describe it, but the floor kind of gave a neutral/nega-ruling, shrugged and walked away. The dealer proclaimed, "See? I told you."

After a few hands of awkward silence, one of the objecting players asked the dealer why he pointed to each player as he dealt a card, and the dealer snap told him to "Mind your own business". VERY WEIRD. No one tipped him after that.

Strange. I'm not a fan, if that's the room rule. Did all the dealers do that?

Simply verbalizing the bet size should prevent the chips being 'returned'.

Care to name names? See if anyone else has had that experience?

If the actions happened as you described them then nothing the dealer or floor did was correct.

Obvs this is a bet. Additionally dealer's training should have included "NEVER POINT" by end of week one. He also shouldn't snap at guests, clearly.

Floors should give distinct and clear answers when making floor calls, not neutral or ambiguous answers. Many floors in many rooms are quite week though due to the huge pay gap between dealing FT and flooring FT.

I don't understand why some players seem to be unable to place/toss poker chips so that they stay where they land.

It is easy for me.

I agree but it is one of those things that we pick up after playing a lot. As far as the OP I have never heard of such a rule nor have I ever had a session where someones chip didn't roll away at some point.

Een my club, I will splash ze pot whenever the **** I want.

I'm happy to hear it's easy for you. People like to "toss" chips into the betting area, is that something you don't understand? there is nothing new about that. I must have rolled a couple of bets myself in the past couple days.

The chips were obviously intended to be bet. The dealer is an *** ****.

Sounds like Nazi-poker if you ask me.

Maybe the next you go to tip this dealer, make sure it lands outside of the line so you can say: "Ah shucks, maybe next time, ok?"

Every time I get frustrated by my current place of employment, I read a thread like this and am happy I don't work someplace with such screwed up rules.

It doesn't take much effort to not splash your chips and to announce the amount of your action. Why people thinking "throwing" a pile of chips onto the table makes them look cool is beyond me. Cool = calmly cutting and moving a a stack or stacks of chips into the betting area.

p.s.:what is it that you think is good about giving your opponents extra time within which to make decisions? You splash out a bunch of chips. the dealer has to hunt them down, count them up (if asked), and now your opponent has had more time within which to think that you're probably not cognizant of because you were too busy watching the dealer chase down your chips. I want to know how long my opponent is taking to think.

Next time you're facing a bet of around 40-50, bring out a stick of red and make sure when you put them down, about half of them cross the line and half of them stay in the betting area to show them how bad of a system it is.

You really need to get out some day and experience live poker

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What does "betting area for her" mean?

That plus the center of the table not being in the "betting area" sound to me like each player has a circle in front of them like a blackjack table.

that sounds a lot like weird regulations/rules to me. This dealer handled it like a douche, but the penalty for a dealer not following regulations is much harsher than the difference of your bet being $13 or $12.

That's a very stupid rule for poker, but if it's there, get used to it, or get it changed. Use your words or figure out how to keep the chips where they're supposed to be. The dealer could probably use a customer relations refresher, but they don't make the rules.

It doesn;t sound like this is actually the rule at the room. The floor didn't back up this dealer the floor shrugged it off as not mattering.

If I played there, I would learn how to roll a chip in a circle. Then I would angle the house and this dumb rule, rolling out a boomerang red, letting it come back, and saying check. As much as possible.

I want to know what a "betting area" is. For me, chips across the betting line is valid bets.

Yea, the floor and the dealer definitely need to be better, but the only way I can imagine a chip over the line but not in the betting area is if the area is a circle, and I would expect tons of weird **** to happen on a poker table with a betting circle.

I would also like to know the answer to this.

I play plenty of live poker -- and guys "throwing" their chips is still lame and unnecessary (and often a great tell if they vary how they bet their chips). Nothing like the rest of the table having to sit and wait while some over-compensating poseur's chips are retrieved from the splashed pot, the splashed seatmate's bets, and from where they've rolled into other people's stacks.

I've played thousands of hours of live poker. I promise you that it is easy to place chips in the betting area without tossing them and that plenty of non-droolers accomplish it regularly.

the OP didn't say anything about splashing the pot. Even when chips are slightly tossed forward to bet sometimes if a check hits the felt the wrong way it can roll away.

The dealer is the one at fault here, not the player. If you play live poker you will see in every session a chip rolls here and a chip rolls there. It's really no big deal. Re-read the original post.

The OP clearly stated "throwing my chips over the betting line". And combined with the fact that the chips didn't stay in the betting area, this wasn't a "light toss".

Lol, this is hilarious! This is really how some people think?

Yes... if it's a sizable bet that I've made, I want to watch my opponent's reaction and I want to know whether they are making a quick decision or not. Silly me for thinking that other players might be doing the same...

So if the chips were tossed rather than placed softly, this can alter your read on your opponents?

Are you one of those players who, when action is on you, shuffles the bet a few times while everyone is watching you, then slowly cuts them out perfectly on the felt?