they dont believe in it

Hello there I have been lurking on this forum for a while now and slowly reading through the backlog of this thread and thoroughly enjoying the content so far. I have been in the business for 5+ years and thought it was about time to stop lurking.

To start things off I wanted to pose a question I have about a Win the Button Tournament I will be running and about how to deal with chopped pots and where to button would go in that case. I am in the school of thought that it should go to the player who is the closest to get the button next (like how we rule the extra chip that is unable to be slip evenly in a chopped pot). I think this is the right way to do it I just want to double check to make sure there isn't anything I am not thinking about in this situation and searching online has not been much help.

When I ran these I did worst position.

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Years ago a Poker room manager I knew was running such a tournament with a Basketball during march Madness. He called it "Make It, Take It" in line with pickup basketball games.

I proposed to him the solution to the chopped put was a "possession arrow" which was basically another button (should not physically look like a dealer button ... you could use something like a missed blind button). Randomly assign it to a seat to start. Then whenever there is a chopped pot possession of the button goes to the seat who has the possession arrow. The possession arrow can then move (I propose counterclockwise so that the player who got its benefit on this hand is next into the blinds when the possession arrow comes into play again)

If you don't want the possession of the button to potentially go to a player not involved in the chop you could give possession to the player with the possession arrow if involved in the chop or closest to it clockwise among the players in the chop).

I have never been involved in one but I like the concept.

In your prop Psand what do you do when the PA seat becomes empty?
(I like the idea that the player who felted the seat should get it)

Also how about allowing the PA to move counterclockwise every hand - a "reverse button" of sorts?

It could it in the empty seat, player moved in can assume it.


I think moving it every hand won work well as the dealer will probably forget frequently

@As2s3s4s5s Yeah that is pretty much what I have been thinking and what we did last time and what I am leaning towards for this time as well.

@Psandman That is a very interesting idea and I like the sound of it. My only problem is working with my dealers, I am working at a property that combines the poker room and table game staff and makes poker mandatory for all table game staff so dealing ability is all over the place. I will bring that idea up with my fellow suits but I think that with a lot of my dealers it will end up being something they regularly forget about or mess up as it is a format that we don't run all that often.

Thanks for the replays

I saw this happen on a live game once.

There are people I work with who care, but I can't imagine failing anyone in an audition solely for this.

I can't remember if I told this story before. Floor is called to a table by a new, easily flustered dealer. On approach, the dealer looks up at the floor with a pleading look and asks, "I messed up and dealt the flop before the betting was complete." Floor looks down at the table and sees three cards face up in the middle, and not only had she not let them finish the pre-flop betting, the players hadn't even had a chance to start it, since no one had cards yet.

She was so upset by the fact that she prematurely dealt a flop that she didn't take a second to simply scoop up the cards, reshuffle, and start over, since nothing had happened yet!

I agree it can be an empty seat, no issue there, just that when it moves one spot back and the empty seat isnt filled, then the same two players get hit with the same blinds again next occurrence - rare yes (except at final table) and probably not worth figuring out a cure for, but thought it worth mentioning

LHE, raise war breaks out on the end. Board is 64233

All the players are on the edge of their seats. A few mutter "Jackpot?" One sharpie, who has keenly identified the specific hole cards necessary to pull this off, mutters, "A very special jackpot."

After I push the pot, I tell Sharpie, "Yeah, if they BOTH had a 3, that would've been special, all right..."

The how long did it take you to convince the dull ones that there was no jackpot possible? This is usually 2 or 3 different explanations IME.

I have on multiple occasions had trouble convincing players that they did not almost win a jackpot .... and my explanation was simply "We do not have a jackpot."

(of course I worked in a room once where a floor person paid out a jackpot that didn't exist)

This could be interesting... Have you previously told this tale?

Anybody see Affleck in The Accountant?

If so: did his character (smart, ocd, high-function autism, difficulty understanding the emotions/feelings of others) have you thinking he'd fit right in at a poker table?

About that many.

Its worse when board shows four consecutive suited cards, like 9876x. GL convincing some of these folks that JTs vs 54s isn't worth a ****.

We had a relatively small badbeat jackpot promotion that had an ending date. the ending date was part of the promotion from the beginning. Nobody hit the jackpot and the promotion ended (the money would then be availlable for other promotions.

I think it was the very next day (but it might have been within a couple of days) after the end of the promotion that someone lost with a qualifying hand and a floor person paid it out. The story I heard explaining this was that the floor person decided that it wasn't legal to end a jackpot promotion before it was hit (probably thinking of a situation where there was no stated end of the promotion). I believe that the money was recovered (another floor stopped it before she finished paying or immediately after). It is possible that she just didn't realize the jackpot had ended but everyone else in the room seemed aware of this.

I once had a player bother me over multiple days to pay him for a high hand award that did not exist. I gave him a trophy and he should have been happy. I think youtalkfunny dealt the hand.

This is great. I'm putting in an order for participation trophies for these types of situations ASAP.

These trophies were great. You have to remember that this was before the poker boom, so the players were on vacation. Everyone else that got a trophy was excited to take home a trophy that told about making a Royal Flush at the Stratosphere in Las Vegas.

That is tremendous. I would want that much more than cash.

I have seen casual players get so excited about stuff like this. I remember one room used to print out a personalized certificate for tournament winners and I would see players refuse a chop deal because they wanted a certificate that said they won the daily tournament.

Seriously, why wouldn't places do that? Basically free and takes like 2 minutes from the TD or floor or whomever.

Then again, places want chops so less dealer hours in tourneys and more cash game hours.