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10-13-2009 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by *******
Whatever. Complaining about how hard it is to make $30/hr is a stupid thing to do and saying that it is beyond realistic b/c you get sucked out on too much is a losers complaint. If you think 15bb/hr is unrealistic then you don't know enough about poker. Granted I don't think people who can make $100/hr+ grow on trees but for a very good player there are some out there. Maybe this number is a little high but these players play other higher games. They are not playing 1/2 NLHE.
Nothing is impossible, that's your argument?
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10-13-2009 , 07:28 PM
No one anywhere averages anywhere close to $150 hourly in 1/2 Live NL Cash. There are simply too few (28-32) hands per hour for this to be possible. Remember to always take into account the rakes and tips, the shallow stacks, and the fact that high variance neutralizes some of the skill in the form of pots constantly going to showdown (READ: your big hands will get sucked out on a lot).

$30 hourly is possible, but on the high side, and a lot of people claiming this are likely full of it. $20-$25 seems more realistic if you play very well and apply a solid TAG style.
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10-13-2009 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by daveait
Ok - This thread is nuts. I don't mark myself as a great poker player. For the record I never play online and usually play in a casino 2-3 times per month for about 10 hours at a time - I've played about 30 times in the last year for about 300 hours. I've averaged $500 per trip - do the math - 15 bb per hour is EASY at 1/2 NL live...play is just too bad in AC not to do that
There are boatloads of people who claim what you do, most of them are completely full of it. You personally? We have no idea, but there simply are very few people who crank out 15xBB per hour. Your sample size of roughly 9000 hands is not huge anyway.
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10-13-2009 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
There are boatloads of people who claim what you do, most of them are completely full of it. You personally? We have no idea, but there simply are very few people who crank out 15xBB per hour. Your sample size of roughly 9000 hands is not huge anyway.
I hear what you are saying - I'd even go as far as saying 1/2 NL in AC is not actually poker...And maybe being a great poker player doesn't translate well. Here is my formula for crushing the game FWIW...Fold weak A's because everyone else will play them and you will never know where you are...play suited connectors and small pairs and if you connect hard play for stacks...Play AK and big pairs fast and hard and bet the CRAP out of your good hands...and most importantly...never EVER bluff...sit back and collect $30-$50 per hour ....that's all there is to it boys and girls...
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10-14-2009 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgie19
What kind of winrates can one expect playing a tighter 20/15 style on your typical 1/2 NL game? Are we even approaching 20$ an hour? Or do you have to play more LAG to acheive that?
There is no typical 1/2 NL game

1/2 has a mix of fish, good players preying on amateurs and good players without the bankroll to play higher games

Generally the play is weaker during the weekend and if you have the stamina the early morning games (2-6am) can be very profitable because many players have not played long sessions and are more susceptible to making mistakes

If you have a tough table at 1/2 move tables! Some of them are much softer than others, and good players with deepstacks (2x+ the max buy-in) are very difficult to beat. Similarly once you have a deepstack you should be able to increase your winrate significantly because you can afford to splash around with more hands preflop (casinos with $200 max buy in and $10 raises preflop can be very brutal early on)

15+bb a hr is definitely sustainable for a strong player capable of making lay downs, staying disciplined once you get deep stacked is key to profitability, again! once in a while you will run into a tough 1/2 table, move tables! there are too many fish playing (especially on the weekend) to gut it out without an edge

edit: and bluffing at the 1/2 level is fine, you just need to pick you opponent because there is a type of player who prides themselves on being able to make good laydowns even when they are incorrect

example: i had about $250 in front of me at turning stone casino this past friday and picked up ak in the cutoff, a couple of people limped to me so i raised it to $12, i got 2 callers, including one from the blind, flop came 2-3-4, sb led out for $15, other guy folded and i instantly raised it to $45 sensing he did not feel good about his hand, he showed me 10s and folded, telling me he had a terrible feeling that he ran into a bigger pair (consistent with how i played the hand), point being that bluffing is very profitable in the 1/2 game provided you establish the right table image and don't go after a calling station

Last edited by monikrazy; 10-14-2009 at 12:12 AM.
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10-14-2009 , 12:22 PM
Can these threads stop being made already?, Listen if you grind 1/2 for like 40hrs a week and don't only play at peak times to then 30/hr is an amazing win rate, 150 is not sustanible for any skill level on earth and most winners fall in the 12-20hr range. /thread
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