+1

Look, if the BBJ is high, he would NEVER throw away his hand and cost himself 20k plus. If he can afford to just light a match to that much money, he probably would be playing some higher stakes

FYP

I would tell him fine I'll do it and then when the BBJ hits tell him to go **** himself

You missed your checkmark. The former is most certainly the bigger game.

Easily D and laugh my ass off at him, as if he is turning down I would assume at least 5 figures when given the opportunity.

I would agree to play without the BBJ, but if we had to play with the BBJ then I would agree to his request because half is better than none and bringing ego into something as ridiculous as a lottery is just way too much effort.

The question is are you going to turn down 5 figures to stand up for what you believe in. People will do a lot for principles. If it is 30k to winner and loser, he claims to be willing to fold 10k. To a lot of people, myself included, if I give you my word that I'm going to burn up 10k, you best believe there will be a bonfire of 10k. The question is, are you going to risk burning 15k in order to save 5k? You're laying 3:1, and I bet there is a greater than 25% chance that this guy is not bluffing. People put a lot of store into their word and their principles.

And as others have stated, half the time, at least, he'll be able to make you table your hand first, and he'll probably do that if he has a qualifying hand.

Just table your hand and request to see villain's hand obv

Wow, it's not fair? Is it supposed to be? What a moron.

I agree with the "whatever, dude" response. It's non-committal and doesn't continue the conversation.

If you're in the incredibly unlikely situation where you feel it's a lock for the BBJ, just call the last bet and wait. For you to get the high prize, you'd have the losing poker hand anyway, and it's not likely he's going to open-muck the immortal nuts on the off-chance you have a qualifying hand.

This way you call his bluff without putting him to the test of making that choice and risking his ego.

Surprisingly, he is still in control of the cards at this point. If he mucks his hand into the muck, I'm sure most casinos will void any jackpot.

25% of the time that you get into a BBJ with this guy the situation WILL come up. (he must show first, and he has the higher of the 2 hands)

Screw that guy I would tell him "yeah right" and nod in agreement and then if it hit I would say I said "yeah right" sarcastically due to his ridiculous ultimatum. Who wouldn't believe you. Angle shoot the angle shooters imo.

his opponents should always leave themselves ~1$( or 10) more than effective on any river bet. if he has the mortal nuts, he shoves and shows first.


if its limit, and its not capped on the river, you dont even have to worry about showing first, because he will almost certainly stick in the last bet.


game over!!

I would tell dbag that its unfair that everyone at the table gets some of the pot for not even being in the hand and he can either deal with it or go play somewhere without BBJ.

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If you IWTSTH before he mucks the dealer is supposed to attempt to protect the muck and prevent him from mucking.

A few more details to possibly sauce things up.

* I'm not sure how this is at all relevant to the hypothetical, but yes, this game can elect to remove the BBJ at this casino (and in fact, apparently now it has been permanently made non-eligible, but at the time this occurred it was elected by the table when it formed). The gentleman in question actually voted not to be BBJ eligible, so it's not like he was courting this issue. Unfortunately, one of the other folks at the table wanted the BBJ, and so they made it a BBJ table.

* I'm aware that "talking about the jackpot voids it". In fact, this was how the issue was finally put to rest - the floor made that point to him, and he seemed to realize there was no way to put his plan into effect. Of course, with a little creative thinking he might have figured out a way to antagonize the entire table about it in advance.

* To the question about whether he would have the balls to do it, knowing nothing about the guy, I would agree that he wouldn't. But here is some extra info about him:

* When he first mentioned it to another player while the table was forming, that player said it was a dickish thing to do. The guy got all up in his face, saying "Did you just call me a dick? Did you? Did you? Say it! SAY IT. Call me a dick again!" Eventually a floor had to come over to find out what was going on and calm him down. Dude was a real loose cannon, anger wise.

* During play, action would get to him sometimes and he would take a looong time to act. If they dealer prodded him, he would give him or her the evil eye and say "IknowIknow,I'mthinkinggoddammit". He also occasionally exhibited some muscle tics, too, though they were not pervasive.

* As a limited point in his favor, much of the time he was somewhat personable, smiling, joking, etc. He was mainly quiet, though.

For all I know he just forgot to take his meds that day or something. I certainly don't want to mock him, but he was repeatedly acting at least a half step beyond your normal, everyday poker degenerate. This started to tip me in the direction of thinking he might very well act against his own self interest at some point to prove something to someone.

I would absolutely wholeheartedly agree to this deal. Then tell him to **** off after I get paid. Lol that would be like winning bbj twice. There's no rule that I can't bluff him and no signed contract so he's the one screwed.

Uh, yeah. I don't really feel like risking five-figures on something a dealer is "supposed" to do. I've seen enough live dealers not to trust their awareness (as a whole) of what's going on around them.

On top of that, there's another layer of risk in the floor not letting the hand qualify anyway.

Protect your hand.

Just have him write down his address and tell him I'll mail him a check. Hahahaha

To OP.

What I would do.

1. Play without a BBJ if given the chance.
2. Offer the following deal -- I won't tell you how to play your cards and you don't tell me how to play mine.
3. The guy has to be joking, but if not, if he's going to fold a 'winner' because there may be a BBJ, let him.
4. Ask for a dealer/floor ruling on the following: If I ask to see another player's cards at showdown (and I'm either in the hand or have previously folded) will it void a BBJ (should there be one). Also ask what happens if the other player tries to muck when you've asked to see the cards. If one player has tabled their cards and there's any possibility of a BBJ, I always (and in this case always means Twice in all the hands I've played ) ask to see the other players cards if its apparent that he's going to muck (assuming that I've determined that asking won't kill the BBJ by itself).

I'm pretty sure the dealers want to hit the bbj just as much as the players. They want a big tip.

This thread is just like people who constantly say

"WHEN I WIN LOTTO, I'M GONNA BUY..."

Sigh

Silliness, ITT

See this whole thing is just not that complicated.

The reason I advocate giving him a non-committal answer like "Whatever" or "Lets just play and see what happens" is because this completely derails his plan of intimidation. If you refuse to discuss it, he'll have to make the choice to muck his winning/BBJ qualifying hand without ever knowing if you've accepted his ******ed condition. He's not going to do this, and once the hand is active he can't find out by asking you again. If he keeps pressing, you keep shrugging.

If you make an issue of his demands, his pride might convince him to trash a BBJ, leaving him in question though sidesteps both the ridiculous argument AND nullifies his threats.

Agree completely.