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02-24-2011 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
I had 66, the all-in player had 78. The Board was 653x. The turn was 9 and the river was 3x. The third player turned over 55.
Hold on, I would think in this case, where there are two full houses against each other, the all-in player's declaration would induce action. If you know the straight flush is already out there, shouldn't you be betting the FH on the river? And shouldn't the other $150 stack raise/shove his FH on the river? I'd be all after my opponent's stack in this case.

And to be honest, what kind of action does a set want when the board is 3x7c8c9c? Even if he hadn't announced the SF you're not really getting any money in on that turn anyway.
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02-24-2011 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dealer
What's the purpose of killing the AA here? The damage is already done. Not to mention, his buddy showing the AA could just as likely get him to call with his JJ or TT hand and lose to 3rd player's under full or bigger PP.

I'd much rather warn the player or kick him out for the night than kill his hand.
The purpose of killing the AA hand there is to punish and deter an action that costs another player action that he or she is entitled to. And the fact that, in my hypothetical, the action was deliberate, in my opinion, pushes it over the line.

Bear in mind, there's no doubt that hands CAN be killed under the rules when they are exposed in this fashion. Turning your hand up in a multi-way pot is folding it, strictly speaking. The issue is whether players should be granted a reprieve from that harsh rule. In general, I agree they should be-- but I would not say there is no situation when it should be enforced.

And by the way, while I have never seen it enforced in a CASH game, I have heard of it being strictly enforced in tournament play.
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02-24-2011 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
The purpose of killing the AA hand there is to punish and deter an action that costs another player action that he or she is entitled to. And the fact that, in my hypothetical, the action was deliberate, in my opinion, pushes it over the line.

Bear in mind, there's no doubt that hands CAN be killed under the rules when they are exposed in this fashion. Turning your hand up in a multi-way pot is folding it, strictly speaking. The issue is whether players should be granted a reprieve from that harsh rule. In general, I agree they should be-- but I would not say there is no situation when it should be enforced.

And by the way, while I have never seen it enforced in a CASH game, I have heard of it being strictly enforced in tournament play.
Poorly run tournament then IMO. It should result in a one orbit penalty(or more with multiple offenses)

Where does it say that exposing a hand with action to come in a multi way pot should kill the hand? If anything, it should kill a hand that is exposed while facing a bet, which would not apply to the all in player here. Even then, I don't agree with killing the hand.

Killing your player's hand will definitely deter him from exposing his hand in the future. It will also most likely deter him from returning to your poker room in the future. Who's to say this isn't an isolated incident from a normally well-behaved player?

I warn the player or tell him to take the rest of the night off. If he causes more problems in the future, then I will deal with him accordingly. If not, then I've likely saved myself from losing a customer.
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02-24-2011 , 06:11 PM
Bet your full house then. If the other player has a flush or full house he's gonna call you. Also why did everyone believe the allin player, did he flip his hand face up?Th
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Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
I had 66, the all-in player had 78. The Board was 653x. The turn was 9 and the river was 3x. The third player turned over 55.

It isn't relevant though. Sometimes I will be the one who gets saved so the error should be EV neutral for me. I was more interested in how to handle the situation.
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02-24-2011 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
Turning your hand up in a multi-way pot is folding it, strictly speaking.
No it is not. No matter how many people are in a hand, no matter whether it is a cash game or a tournament game, exposing your hand is not (according to RRoP, anyway) a hand-killing action.
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02-24-2011 , 08:25 PM
He killed your action, you kill his action. Follow him around and ****-block him wherever he goes.
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02-24-2011 , 10:23 PM
buddy just got excited because he made a straight flush. warn him and move on
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02-24-2011 , 11:17 PM
Player with the 2nd best hand gets to administer the KITN to the loud mouth.
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02-25-2011 , 03:06 AM
I shrug, get my rebuy ready, and consider myself lucky that the guy who doesn't understand poker is about to have a big stack.

Killing the hand is laughable. Tho' if people at the table suggest it, I'm happy to have even more people at the table who don't understand poker.
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02-25-2011 , 10:31 AM
The floor can kill his hand for stating what he has with others to act. Then, shove. Take it all.
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