A SPORT BOOK in AC only 2 hours from NYC would be sick :P. 100 million bet on the Yankees 1st year alone ... )

Yes we know, AC needs sports betting. But it wouldn't "save" the city, nor would adding razz or triple draw or whatever make any difference.

Atlantic City already has three full service bookmakers in AC, greek.com, matchbook.com and bookmaker.com.

Got the job done yesterday from my apartment in AC while I was balzass naked...

It's almost like this guy is looking to get razzed

Who's Augie?

i didnt bring up the razz word this time.. you guys seem fixated on that rather then really thinking about possible 100's of millions in revenue to the city Can i hear only solutions or ideas from you guys? or is everything a sarcastic reaction?

Sports books, yeah would be nice. Mixed games, no difference at all.

lol, your thread title doesn't ask a question for people to answer to. It looks like you already found the solution.

Augustus? As in Caesar? I have no idea.

was i like double dipping?

Because you take an opinion (it would be nice to have sports betting and/or razz in AC), and state it as an overly dramatic fact (without razz AC doesn't have the respect of the poker community!!, without sports betting AC will die!!). Not to mention, you don't seem to be able grasp the amount of red tape that must be cut through to get approval for new games and forms of gambling. You seem to be of the opinion that these things can be brought about in an instance.

Also, you declaring something in all capital letters does not make it a fact especially without any coherent reasoning.

lets not get caught up with semantics... i simply dont understand the resistance to mixed games? they would improve the all around poker situation in a.c...variety...larger /diffrent pool of players....the sportbook speaks for itself..(all small letters for no reason)

At least I am able to afford my apartment in AC and NYC.

Anyway, I am with my wife, I wish I were lucky enough to be single and alone again...

fireflytea & nineinchal - please don't waste the time of the moderators in this forum. On topic and relevant posts or the infraction/ban finger will become trigger happy. You both know what I am talking about, so lets keep it clean.

I guess playing devil's advocate with this guy again.

But how would sports betting/ sports book improve AC in any way? Yes some ancillary revenue would trickle down to other types of degen betting (IE table games) but this still would not overhaul AC in anyway.

More realistic would be to bring up the quality of the boardwalk (no more syringes?), gentrify neighborhoods, and attract an upper class clientele (ala Borgata, only profitable casino in AC right now)

syringes on the boardwalk? when is the last time you went to AC? a sportsbook would easily match if not exceed Vegas revenues...and mixed games attract more players whose only outlet would be online...what are you talking about?

# Overall, Nevada's legal sports wagering represents less than 1 percent of all sports betting nationwide. In 2008, $2.58 billion was legally wagered in Nevada's sports books; the National Gambling Impact Study Commission (NGISC) estimated that illegal wagers are as much as $380 billion annually.
# Gross revenue for Nevada's sports books was $136.4 million in 2008. While more than $2.5 billion was wagered in 2008, more than 94 percent of all bets placed were returned to patrons in winnings.
# Legal sports wagering helps bring more than 30 million visitors to Nevada each year and provides employment for thousands of people.


yep i bet AC would be even more

* The Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority estimated that the 2007 Super Bowl weekend generated $109.5 million in non-gaming economic impact and attracted 287,000 visitors.
* According to Christiansen Capital Advisors (CCA), which tracks Internet gambling, online sports betting generated $4.29 billion in revenues in 2005. This is more than double the $1.7 billion generated by online sports betting in 2001.

_____________so your saying this would be just a trickle for AC? this weekend alone with the JETS would have been insane!

there will be nothing like a weekend in AC if the METS / YANKEES or maybe PHILLIES are in the world series....3 nfl teams with large dedicated fan bases ..Vegas has nothing even close..

4 hocky teams 3 NBA teams all less than 2 hours away

AC casinos can already spread mixed games! But they are becoming less and less popular because everyone wants to play NLHE now. Razz has nothing to do with it. In fact, Razz is almost always the least popular game in any rotation in which it is spread (although it is actually my favorite stud game)! And there is probably at most one table in all of Las Vegas at any time spreading Razz even as part of a rotation.

Sports betting would add some revenue for sure, but suggesting it would out-do Vegas is just baseless.

These small poker games wouldn't even make a dent though. Take a look at how many non-hold'em tables you see running at AC casinos outside of the Taj and Borgata, and even in those there's a relatively small number compared to HE. Razz on its own isn't attracting anyone or getting spread by itself. I can see adding it in to a couple mixed games and the occasional HORSE tourney, but it has little real draw, and he few people who'd be interested would just come off the stud tables anyway.

It's like when salad bars were all the rage in fast food places some years ago. Customers used to ask for them on surveys like nobody's business, but when franchises actually put them in, no one used them.

Also firefly, it sounds like you're not aware that there are mixed games spread here already. If you're not even playing in those now how can you complain?

Just for the sake of discussion, here are the cash games Borgata had going Saturday night:

Not a lot of interest in Stud-based games obv. You could put razz in one of the mixes, maybe two, but it should be pretty clear that even when approved it won't be a very big deal overall. Probably the same for the Taj. Forget it in the other casinos.

There are 59 poker rooms in the Vegas Valley. If someone does not think there were are at least 75 tables running at 9:00 pm on a Saturday in Las Vegas, well, I don't know what to say. (Talking about the claim that the Borgata has more poker tables running then ALL of Las Vegas).


Hojo

There is another site that keeps track of the number of poker tables in LV, alonmg with a lot of other things. Their most recent count was about 515 total tables. But I think there has been some changes since that count was published so it could be more or less.

FWIW,

In a thread on this same B&M page (as I type this)......


LVM (who I trust) says,

"There are 647 Cash game tables in the TCA (tables cut for a drop; does not include temporary tables or tournament specific tables that are not cut for a rake drop)."



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With 59 rooms, even if only an average of 3 tables per room were going on a Saturday night (some places will only have 1 or 2 going, some will have a lot more), That's still more then the poster, Shagadelic, was giving Vegas poker rooms credit for.



btw, FWIW, I'm one of the few people who has played poker in every poker room in the Las Vegas Valley. LVM is another (I knew there was a reason I like that guy :-).


Best of Luck

Hojo

You missed #52.