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08-31-2009 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ezdonkey
Standard "pay per view" business models aren't 1:1 applicable in the current Internet era. I'm not saying they don't apply at all, but de facto is that people don't like to pay for non-material products (=data in this case) they are consuming.

I'm pretty sure HSP wouldn't be as popular as it is today, if it weren't distributed in torrents and in YouTube by GSN. Practically everyone is talking about the latest HSP on the forums the day after it's aired, much thanks to torrents, because I believe ~70% of the show's viewers reside outside U.S.

The alternative way is to share the show for free (or atleast not bitch about if it's being torrented) and it will gather huge crowds all over the world. This has been the case with many programs.

When a series/program reaches a cult status, it will attract more companies willing to pay higher amounts advertisement time or whatever.

It's just simple math. A show with 10M non-paying viewers is valuable than 1M audience who just watch it when it airs on TV.

PS. Shows great capability of argumentation by starting out with an ad hominem -style "hey idiot"-comment.

PPS. It is impossible for a show to do good if no one watches it. I live in Europe. There's no way for me to watch it, EVEN LEGALLY, right now.
A lot of poker players watch the show and I think poker players have a higher purchasing power for stuff like this than your average consumer. They are also used to online transactions so they won't hesitate to buy the show off the Internet. Some players might even get g4 just for this show.

That is why I think that it is a bad idea to distribute this show in particular for free, simply because a lot of poker players are willing to pay. Just look at the replies about buying it from iTunes in this thread, surely there were not as many in the previous episode threads.

If I was the head of some network och tv-channel I would think that example 1 million paying viewers would be waaaay more impressive/valuable than 10-15 million free viewers.

GSN is a way bigger network than g4 so the comparison is flawed because of GSNs availability is higher than g4.

I feel uncofortable debating this since I hardly know anything about the television business and none of us can prove anything cause we don't have any numbers.

It's too bad they don't distribute it to Europe.

Last edited by Tomtah; 08-31-2009 at 10:50 AM.
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08-31-2009 , 10:48 AM
Oh well. Outside the US, therefore screwed even to buy it. First two episodes were interesting, bye now.

If push comes to shove (which it has) I wouldn't pay for it anyway. Barely 20 minutes per week would hardly be worth it.
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08-31-2009 , 10:59 AM
trying to buy it but I can't, I guess I'll have to just have to steal it.
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08-31-2009 , 11:00 AM
Put the episodes on Deucescracked imo.
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08-31-2009 , 11:03 AM
[x]

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Originally Posted by RicardoUK
[X] Would pay for this and I am from UK

(but not a lot though)
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08-31-2009 , 11:08 AM
this whole situation is pretty tilting.
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08-31-2009 , 11:15 AM
goddamned don't live in US and want to see this. make it available wordwide wtf
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08-31-2009 , 11:30 AM
GSN is available in 70 million homes - link

G4TV is available in about 64 million homes - link
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08-31-2009 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by teddyFBI
Mods, plz keep this thread to a discussion of the show's content, and stuff any crap about being able to watch it in some dark hole.
booo
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08-31-2009 , 11:43 AM
I saw 2 episodes on youtube. I guess that is all I will be watching.

GG
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08-31-2009 , 11:55 AM
The government want to crack down on piracy. How do they expect us to watch stuff? If it's only available in the US.
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08-31-2009 , 11:57 AM
no link yet still?????????? so tilting
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08-31-2009 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath
GSN is available in 70 million homes - link

G4TV is available in about 64 million homes - link
American population: 306 Million - Link
World population: 6.67 Billion - Link

America houses 4% of the worlds population. 21% of that population has access to G4TV. So now you can see why so many people (including myself) are bitching about not being able to watch it, even if we're jumping the gun.
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08-31-2009 , 12:03 PM
This is ridiculous, how do they except ppl to watch if you missed it on TV?
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08-31-2009 , 12:06 PM
All 3 episodes air on G4 tonight at 8pm
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08-31-2009 , 12:08 PM
Krantz and co, sorry for not being able to sit in front of my tv at 9 pm on a Sunday. I actually left my tv on G4 for the night hoping that I might still be helping the ratings anyways.

But with that said, no way in hell will I be paying to watch your show on itunes, as it really isn't good enough, and so if I can't watch it on pokertube then I just won't be watching it at all. Way to alienate your fanbase.
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08-31-2009 , 12:11 PM
Its a tv show i dont understand how its classed as piracy can someone plaese explain? its not like were ripping of a cinema movie.. they show it free on tv anyway? whats the deal
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08-31-2009 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jbizz54
Krantz and co, sorry for not being able to sit in front of my tv at 9 pm on a Sunday. I actually left my tv on G4 for the night hoping that I might still be helping the ratings anyways.

But with that said, no way in hell will I be paying to watch your show on itunes, as it really isn't good enough, and so if I can't watch it on pokertube then I just won't be watching it at all. Way to alienate your fanbase.
whoa whoa whoa chill the fk out, we have nothing to do with this, G4 does

i wish i owned a tv network and could make these decisions... i don't stand to profit from iTunes sales so i really don't care (and have said so) how people watch it as long as people are able to watch it and spread the word, i believe in the show and want as many ppl to see it as possible... i also want ppl who are able to see it legally to do so so the network is happy and pulls the trigger on season 2

you obv don't know me very well if you think i have anything to do with anyone not being able to see the show!
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08-31-2009 , 12:17 PM
yeah and i don't see how people who now can't watch it anyways count against your ratings... we couldn't watch it in the first place and we can't watch it now...

and lol@itunes. the day i install that on my computer is a sad sad day indeed. altho from what i understand i wouldn't be able to watch on there anyways.
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08-31-2009 , 12:18 PM
fwiw dani and i are in LA today to promote 2m2mm on attack of the show (at 7pm, doing some stuff w/ olivia munn) and we will be at G4 for most of the day... i will see what info i can glean about the distribution issue
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08-31-2009 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jbizz54
Krantz and co, sorry for not being able to sit in front of my tv at 9 pm on a Sunday. I actually left my tv on G4 for the night hoping that I might still be helping the ratings anyways.

But with that said, no way in hell will I be paying to watch your show on itunes, as it really isn't good enough, and so if I can't watch it on pokertube then I just won't be watching it at all. Way to alienate your fanbase.
So you'd watch it for free on pokertube but paying less than $2 per episode is out of the question? Damn...
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08-31-2009 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KRANTZ
whoa whoa whoa chill the fk out, we have nothing to do with this, G4 does

i wish i owned a tv network and could make these decisions... i don't stand to profit from iTunes sales so i really don't care (and have said so) how people watch it as long as people are able to watch it and spread the word, i believe in the show and want as many ppl to see it as possible... i also want ppl who are able to see it legally to do so so the network is happy and pulls the trigger on season 2

you obv don't know me very well if you think i have anything to do with anyone not being able to see the show!
Can you put it up on deucescracked ??
I'm from canada and cant buy it on iTunes
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08-31-2009 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KRANTZ
fwiw dani and i are in LA today to promote 2m2mm on attack of the show (at 7pm, doing some stuff w/ olivia munn) and we will be at G4 for most of the day... i will see what info i can glean about the distribution issue
Please push to them to support the international viewers. A lot of people here would be happy to buy this on itunes
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08-31-2009 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTom86
So you'd watch it for free on pokertube but paying less than $2 per episode is out of the question? Damn...
its not about the money, its the principle.

someone f upload this already.
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08-31-2009 , 12:25 PM
I used to have G4 on comcast, then for some reason it is just gone, as well as gsn. so no high stakes poker either.. FFFF UUUU comcast

I will not be purchasing this any ways, dc gets enough from me as it is

Ansky kicks ass on this show, and pretty much makes it imo

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Originally Posted by flawless_victory
lol true,

gta love how these guys are watching our show and posting bout it on the internet; meanwhile im partying in SF NY, tokyo and havent even bothered to waste time watching ep 2 yet

it rly does suck being me...

daps to all my ngas, if any, who said something positive in this thread (too cumbersome to read all replies as i have no mouse w me, gna take a better look if i ever get home and get my desktop setup)
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