if i get a poker pro table @ my house and my friends come over are we still entitled to the 1Million$ BBJ? Because i think what im getting at is its worth it.

unless the table costs more than 1million.

seriously: there arent enough spots w/ pokertek tables in AC. And as much as I feel I get bad beats delivered on the daily, i never get the kind of bad beat that is actually the best beat evar.

conclusion: AC needs more pokertek tables. i would be willing to play, but not because there is an enormous BBJ.

it would attract some more players but wouldn't make a huge difference. look at the bbj on ub. the traffic on the site never really went up when the bbj was at like 600k. people still stuck to ftp, ps, and party

This wouldn't really effect whether I choose to play at excalibur(or another pokerpro location) or a "regular" poker room.

What might actually effect my decision is comps and other things that I know I'm getting when I walk in the door.

I think the best reasoning for doing this would be to get the people who otherwise would not sit down at the elec tables. The one time bonus is actually a good idea, if you're really confident in the product. The more people you get to play these tables, the better chance you have of them realizing they like them. Then they might actually stay after it's hit.


I've never played them, dont really know if I like them but I think I would.

Lou,

Is there a seperate, European branch of PokerTek that deals with PokerPro tables in the UK? I used to play regularly on them in Newcastle, but Aspers closed their poker room in favour of a craps suite and I have not seen any since.

OT

Gary,

UK Gaming regulators determined that PokerPro could not be installed under current gaming laws, and we had to remove the tables. The UK market is a huge potenital market for PokerPro. We continue to work the issue through the proper channels. We anxiously await our ability to re-launch there. Sorry, but I cant give any timeframes.

Thank you though for playing on PokerPro and I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Lou
PokerTek, Inc.

I'm thinking about this question from a marketing perspective. Why would the casino want to do this? I understand why you would, sell/rent more tables. It's not like doing this promotion gets more people into the casino, it gets more people from other parts of the casino... or..

Actually now that I write that, I guess Excaliber would do this for sure right? Everytime there is a high bbj in AC, that place fills up with people from other casinos.

Hurrah, I have answered my own question!

You think a jackpot of exactly quad 4's being beaten by exactly a royal is going to instantly add 20+ games at Excalibur? Wow, if this jackpot does get added I will gladly prop bet any amount of money that their business does not quickly increase by 20 tables. If you want to bet more than I can cover I'm sure I can find backers with little trouble.

if you think about how hard quads beat by a royal is to hit, there is barely a chance, i would never play at a poker tek table just for that, that would be absurd, but many of these locals in las vegas live for the BBJ's all over town and you would probably fill up quite a few tables till they realized how hard it was. However i would play at a poker tek table to try it out and see how they play and if i liked the play i would have no problem sitting at one. I live here in Las Vegas and still have yet to get over to Excalibur to check em out !!!

The poker pro tables at Southland Greyhound Park in West Memphis already advertise the $1M bad beat, and they have for quite a while. Its quad 6's beat by any royal.

Its pretty ******ed to anyone who can do simple probability. We discussed this already and the consensus was we had a better chance at finding $1M hiding under a pile of dog ****.

I think I like this idea, I mean, from a marketing standpoint, it stretches your dollar a little better and provides you with a better use of a $1mil budget IMO. Also, this pits your tables directly against the traditional tables, and highlights some of the advantages in addition to the jackpot.

i am too lazy to read through the entire thread, but here is my opinion. Why not setup some sort of rakeback? 50 - 100% initially

Stations Property wide BBJ has the quads getting beat by higher quads.

This is hand dealt and property wide.

Not a huge player base but it still get's hit every 3 weeks or so. Your talking 300k dollars too.

1) Would have to be pokertek property wide.
2) Quad Queens or higher beat. (for the promotion to last longer than a month)
3) Table Shares for anyone playing on a pokertek at the time.

I know #2 seemes silly high but it's prob not high enough. I'd make it a Straight flush beaten by a higher straight flush

Other wise your promotion won't last a month and you won't be getting any long term benefits from it.

Srsly look into the Stations propertywide BBJ and you'll see some statistics that will change your opinion on how you want to run this.

You are smart. We have a PokerPro promotions module that is making its way through various regulatory approvals that was modeled after online poker bonusing systems. B&M rackback might be a reality someday !

Stations has done a great job imo with their property wide BBJ. Just for clarification (I wasnt clear in OP). $1,000,000 PokerPro Bad Beat qual hand would be named quads beat by Royal Flush. Very very unlikely, but so is hitting powerball, but this BBJ is totally free to players (funded 100% by PokerTek and/or Poker room).

This reminds me of the 10,000 hole in one contests at golf tournaments. It's almost impossible.....but free.

My .02.... The BBJ concept needs to be combined with instant gradification. You have thought of the powerball, what about the pick 3?

Am I the only person feeling a little weird about advertisement and market-research being done here? I assume 2+2 endorses this, considering the "Verified" status of the account. Is 2+2 getting kickbacks for all this promotion?

I don't mean to be callous, and I understand I have personal biases here. Just sayin', this feels like a gray area.

PF,

I may have over stepped the bounds here and I apologize. Nothing nefarious, maybe just bad judgement on my part.

Lou

P.S. I have always enjoyed your posts. You seem to always cut to the chase better than most. (I liked your old avatar better than the kitty though

Pwn, what was ridiculous about what I said? I quoted a claim Dynasty made that I totally disagreed with.

Rakeback would absolutely get me to play at pokerpro tables.

I dont' think so if these tables are the future of poker it's better the community stays on top of it.

If the casinos are gonna go with the tables then that's what their gonna do we mine as well make sure they do it right

I misunderstood your OP. So, my comments were first assuming it was a regular BBJ.

If you've got $1,000,000 in a promotional budget, you might be better off having ten bad beat jackpots of $100,000 each. Then, you could have normal BBJs.

$1,000,000 sounds like a lot to spend on this promotion.

+1

IMHO . Vegas rocks love BBJ. I also think it would have to be something that is attainable. How many poker rooms would be tied together? I hate to go to the strip.

Something like the palms could also be done. 1000 a day for a ????? hand. Locals love this $hit.

I understand this, which is why I feel it's grey area. What if KEM or Copag came on here and asked how to make cards better? I think that would probably be okay. The distinction here is that KEM and Copag already have market dominance and it's pretty much assumed that's what you get when you enter a casino. But what about a new chip manufacturer? I wouldn't feel strange about that, since chips are already the tools we use.

This is different. This is a new product, this is one company. They're not asking how to improve what's there already, they're not asking how to make the product better: they're asking how to better promote themselves in order to gain market share. This is research and everybody here is providing a whole lot of free data.

(To give an idea, I once had a 2-hour session giving my thoughts on a corporate advertising campaign, and they paid me, just one person who wasn't an expert, $1k plus expenses and airfare... which still was probably not enough.)

It just seems a little weird, that's all.