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Why does someone run bad when on tilt? Why does someone run bad when on tilt?

07-10-2014 , 03:25 AM
I'm super convinced you cannot win when you're on chasing tilt.

I've bubbled or came close to the money 8-10 times within the last 100 games. Each time a scenario would come up & I'll be allin then lose to utter bs.

Example.....

15 bb left, shove with aj vs a10 & he hits 4 of kind 10's full.

AA & moron who calls me off with 85o gets runner runner trips.(Becomes chipleader & wins 4k.)

KQs vs AQ super standard scenario where you hit a flush draw on the turn. Villain goes bonkers with A high flush draw on 1 card and donks out.

This has happened to me so many times in the pass as well.. Each time I just cannot accept how bad I could run.

It's not like I'm playing super poorly or anything. But these mathematically improbable situations would keep coming up & get me steaming even more.

Last edited by MistakesWereMade; 07-10-2014 at 03:53 AM.
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07-10-2014 , 06:26 AM
Or maybe once you're on tilt, you keep getting all-in in 60/40, 70/30 flip situations and only remember the one by which you bust out of the given tournament.

It's silly to think that the laws of probability miraculously change when you're on tilt. Your brain/ego is affecting the way that these events are remembered and experienced. You're more likely to remember the bad times more than the good times. It's natural.
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07-10-2014 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart

It's silly to think that the laws of probability miraculously change when you're on tilt. Your brain/ego is affecting the way that these events are remembered and experienced. You're more likely to remember the bad times more than the good times. It's natural.
I hear this all the time & I do try to stay logical. But everytime I go on tilt this **** happens time after time again.

This crap never/or rarely happens when I'm feeling fresh.

What am I suppose to believe?
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07-10-2014 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MistakesWereMade
What am I suppose to believe?
Are you suggesting believing in magic?
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07-10-2014 , 01:08 PM
Remember this:

That's that thing called "life". Is it that it always changing. Sometimes you're up, sometimes you're down. I can tell you that now, be aware of that. Things are not gonna work out exactly right. That's when life is playing a game with you (I don't wanna play anymore!). I don't care how good you are, I don't care how talented you are, I don't care how much you work on yourself there are some times when things are not gonna work RIGHT. There are times when anything can happen will happen. But during those down moments.. that's where the growth takes place.. that's where the work is. Anybody can be happy when they have health, bills are paid, they have happy relationships, ANYBODY can be positive then, anybody can have a larger vision then, anybody can have faith under those circumstances. See, but the real challenge, the real challenge of growth: mentally, emotionaly and spirituality comes when u get knocked out.
You have to learn to pass. All of us had experinced some tragedy, and if we haven't we will. You can let it destroy your life or you can build upon on it. You can permit it to hold you down or decide I'm not gonna let that happen. I'm bigger than this. It's not gonna be easy! When u wanna change is not easy, if it was easy everybody will do it. The question is : who gets back up? forgive and grow;


- remembered it from some motivational stuff;
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07-10-2014 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MistakesWereMade
I'm super convinced you cannot win when you're on chasing tilt.


I've bubbled or came close to the money 8-10 times within the last 100 games. Each time a scenario would come up & I'll be allin then lose to utter bs.

Example.....

15 bb left, shove with aj vs a10 & he hits 4 of kind 10's full.

AA & moron who calls me off with 85o gets runner runner trips.(Becomes chipleader & wins 4k.)

KQs vs AQ super standard scenario where you hit a flush draw on the turn. Villain goes bonkers with A high flush draw on 1 card and donks out.

This has happened to me so many times in the pass as well.. Each time I just cannot accept how bad I could run.

It's not like I'm playing super poorly or anything. But these mathematically improbable situations would keep coming up & get me steaming even more.

-original line might be the most obvious thing I've ever read in psychology.

-most of what you describe are the fairly standard spots in MTTs. I think you're smart enough to know that in order to make any deep runs in MTTs you're gonna have to get lucky a few times (whether that be having these 70% hands hold up, or have a few suckouts)

-why do you play these high variance MTTs when you know a few improbable situations are going to make you tilt more? Why not start off playing 6max or full ring, where you can have less of these spots where you tilt the most?
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07-10-2014 , 07:39 PM
After thinking about it a bit more, I think the problem may be entitlement tilt. You feel you aren't getting your fair share of the "luck" and you get upset because the players making errors get lucky instead?

Am I close?
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07-11-2014 , 04:28 AM
happens to every one. it just happened to me an hour ago and trust me its statistical clustering and TILT. play HU for a while youll either get over it or quit.
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07-11-2014 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
happens to every one. it just happened to me an hour ago and trust me its statistical clustering and TILT. play HU for a while youll either get over it or quit.
Just happened to me again was massive chipleader in 3 tournaments near the money and somehow got magically busted out in all of them.

Gonna keep my head straight though. Bad variance sucks...

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07-11-2014 , 09:57 AM
$2500 rebuy 5th place 25 players left.

back to back losses with QQ.

QQ runs into AA
QQ VS 66 Flop comes 6 6 3 (What is ****ing ridiculous is this guy was in mp and called off QJs 30bb utg raise.)

Tried 2 6man hypers, all in both times /w higher pocket pair & bb hits a small set.

Nothing to do with variance & luck will even out factor. You simply cannot win while on tilt. It's a vodoo curse!

I am done with poker! Won't be back for a very long time...


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07-11-2014 , 12:02 PM
Please don't turn this into a pure BBV thread. There's no need to post more hands if you actually want to discuss the concept in this thread.
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07-11-2014 , 03:26 PM
With the sort of pessimism you show toward variance and winning poker, it's no surprise you struggle with the game. I've seen you butt heads against many of the posters on here that are pretty bang on in their mental game advice.

Maybe poker just isn't for you. It's not for everyone. And if all you get from the game is a sense of futility or feeling like the world is against you, maybe you'd benefit from venturing out into the world and finding a new passion.
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07-11-2014 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by winnercircle

Maybe poker just isn't for you. It's not for everyone. And if all you get from the game is a sense of futility or feeling like the world is against you, maybe you'd benefit from venturing out into the world and finding a new passion.
I've my run good days & my bad run days.

I'll just come back when cooled off. I'm not in the right frame of mind right now, been in this scenario so many times already, all I need was a break from poker. Nothing else to it...

I still salvaged $1600 this month in low stakes before tilting a huge chunk away. Also, I've 30k profit on stars & 20k profit in cash table games.

I wasn't bragging or anything but just to let you know your post was sort of uncalled for & unnecessary.

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07-11-2014 , 11:40 PM
When on tilt you don't run any better or worse but you do play worse.

When on tilt you expect more beats than average so remember them. You subconsciously mark them like "I knew that would happen and I was right, I run so bad"
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07-12-2014 , 06:44 AM
It's pretty simple.

The most common situation where you're going to be on tilt is either when you're short-stacked or about to be.

You can only be eliminated from a tournament when you're all-in.

You're most likely to be all-in when you-re short-stacked.

Thus, the most common situation you can run into where you're about to be eliminated from a tournament is when you're on tilt, short-stacked, and going all-in.

In a one-hand vacuum yeah it's run bad, but unless you bink first place you have to be eliminated from a tournament at some point. So if you look at the entire sample of hands that you exited tournaments with, especially the most painful ones, the combination of tilted, short-stacked, and all-in is probably going to come up a lot. But it's not because you are swearing at the dealer in your head and so they gave you a bad beat.
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07-12-2014 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MistakesWereMade
I've my run good days & my bad run days.

I'll just come back when cooled off. I'm not in the right frame of mind right now, been in this scenario so many times already, all I need was a break from poker. Nothing else to it...

I still salvaged $1600 this month in low stakes before tilting a huge chunk away. Also, I've 30k profit on stars & 20k profit in cash table games.

I wasn't bragging or anything but just to let you know your post was sort of uncalled for & unnecessary.

You've also mentioned in other posts that you won like 60k and then lost it all back via tilt and bad plays. And earlier this year you were also looking for a stake for micros. This is not something a player up 50k would be doing. I know it's the internet and you can pretend to be anything you want, but at least keep your story straight. Posts don't get deleted.
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07-12-2014 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ProRailbird
It's pretty simple.

The most common situation where you're going to be on tilt is either when you're short-stacked or about to be.

You can only be eliminated from a tournament when you're all-in.

You're most likely to be all-in when you-re short-stacked.

Thus, the most common situation you can run into where you're about to be eliminated from a tournament is when you're on tilt, short-stacked, and going all-in.

In a one-hand vacuum yeah it's run bad, but unless you bink first place you have to be eliminated from a tournament at some point. So if you look at the entire sample of hands that you exited tournaments with, especially the most painful ones, the combination of tilted, short-stacked, and all-in is probably going to come up a lot. But it's not because you are swearing at the dealer in your head and so they gave you a bad beat.

And there are also going to be scenarios during those games where he only made a deep run in the first place by getting lucky. You almost never get to the bubble without making at least one mistake or being behind at least once.
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07-12-2014 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by winnercircle
. I know it's the internet and you can pretend to be anything you want, but at least keep your story straight. Posts don't get deleted.
You should know better coz you've done some snooping on me hence you know both of my poker names/profit & know I'm not bs'ing.Yet you're so persistent to call me a liar in the open, how hilarious!

Plz just stop posting where I am posting. If your only goal is too to post demeaning comments about me due to some infantile grudge. I don't wanna have a bone to pick with you all day.

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07-13-2014 , 09:04 AM
Well for me at least when I am on tilt I start to play more aggressive especially since one of my main games is HU Plo but same applies to NL. You end up in a lot more marginal spots tend to play them badly and then blame it on run bad. As other posters have said a lot also has to do with selective memory.
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07-13-2014 , 10:14 PM
Mistakes, you're free to block me. Your attempt to censor where I post on here is 100% not going to happen. If you don't like that I inject logic in statements you post that I find illogical, don't post them or don't read my replies.

And if you check back on most of your posts in reply, all you do is berate me whilst calling it the "high ground." And any criticism toward you just gets taken as a grudge, or me having a huge ego. Again, the irony is palpable.


But then again, I'm not the one excitedly posting my epiphany that you can't win when you're chasing tilt. Thanks for your wonderful contribution to poker
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07-13-2014 , 11:24 PM
I am recommending you for admission at the BBV, where they will gladly allow you to join the EAD club.
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07-14-2014 , 02:58 PM
LOL ^ yep.

Click here for one of his previous BBV troll posts - Wouldn't be the first time one of his whiny threads got moved to BBV for being crazy. I blocked him, and I think until he's banned for trolling, that's really the best solution.
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07-14-2014 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by winnercircle
LOL ^ yep.

Click here for one of his previous BBV troll posts - Wouldn't be the first time one of his whiny threads got moved to BBV for being crazy. I blocked him, and I think until he's banned for trolling, that's really the best solution.
I think most are already aware of what you're trying to spread on here. (Ah, I forgot I wasn't gonna answer your posts anymore.)

BTW! You're very well-mannered my friend.

It was my utmost pleasure to encounter someone like you.

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