Ive been pretty frequent post reader on here / read a lot of poker books. I really don't think i have many if any leaks any more. Do you find it disgusting on days where you lose 6 buy ins and your $USD EV is positive? I mean its just so disgusting, sure ive ran good at times but i have definitely ran worse then good overall. Last session literally two pair cracked twice on river + set over set twice (both lost).

I mean how do you full time grinders respond to this i just want to throw a chair at the dumb ****s who have no pot odds to call and no reason to and hit the magic card. do you try to not let it effect you?

change this attitude first.

try not to have such an ugly sense of entitlement in a game that is partially based on luck. try to maintain some respect for your opponents even though they make mistakes.

+1

If i were to show you the hands that did the -6bb i guarantee you would say everything is 95% perfectly played. i understand i can still learn though new stuff though.

For your enjoyment here are the hands. (at stars as of last week i have a 1.8bb/100 for NL50 and for nl25 2.61bb/100

I needed money so i took my whole role out last week from stars due to need of money + angry at stars for horrific beats.

I deposited at absolute poker. 400$ this past weekend. because i was angry at stars, so i didn't want to re put money on there. So because i needed money i cant obviously go right back into nl50 with 400$ so here are todays nl25 hands.

Tell me what i did wrong.

1.


CO: $45.60
BTN: $56.13
SB: $48.72
Hero (BB): $25.25
UTG: $52.89
MP: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 9 9
UTG raises to $0.85, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 9 8 K (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4, UTG raises to $52.04 all in, Hero calls $20.40 all in

Turn: ($50.60) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($50.60) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $50.60
Hero shows 9 9 (Three of a kind, nines)
UTG shows A 9 (Flush, ace high)
UTG wins $48.08
(Rake: $2.52)


2.
could of 4bet but his 3bet range was 4% but he was playing 24/19. so yes this is the one hand i played bad
-still played it smart postflop cuz ak was in his range

SB: $35.68
BB: $60.21
UTG: $50.02
Hero (MP): $25.00
CO: $31.38
BTN: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.60, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.85

Flop: ($5.55) J Q T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.55) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero calls $8

River: ($28.55) T (2 players)
Hero bets $10.90 all in, CO calls $10.90

Final Pot: $50.35
Hero shows J J (Full house, jacks full of tens)
CO shows Q Q (Full house, queens full of tens)
CO wins $47.86
(Rake: $2.49)


3.

This hand requires u to know what i was thinking. button was playing 20/16. ive played a lot with him on other sites as well and he loves calling suited connectors on the button, + pairs obviously.

He 3bets 12% on the button, KJ he would prob 3bet pre (have seen him do it with KJs), JJ is def out of range and KK is def out of range. Leaving basically like i said kq and suited connectors and a set of sevens.

Standard cbet with open ended and he squeezes. postflop aggro of 6.0 (have seen him raise sets, KQ, and flush draws here, and air) Have good implied odds to call so i do. turn gives me open ender + flush draw when he pushes ik he has prob a 56 67 98 flush draw, he would of bet less if set or such.

Turns over and i was right, 70% fav on turn, and he hits on river.

CO: $4.46
BTN: $25.00
SB: $24.75
BB: $12.75
Hero (UTG): $28.09
MP: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 9 T
Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.60) J 7 K (3 players)
Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50, BTN raises to $7, Hero calls $5.50, MP folds

Turn: ($18.10) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $17.25 all in, Hero calls $17.25

River: ($52.60) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $52.60
BTN shows 8 9 (Flush, king high)
Hero shows 9 T (One pair, sevens)
BTN wins $49.99
(Rake: $2.61)

4.
i was 3betting 8% so didn't want to 3bet the mp oop, could of.

Hero (BB): $27.39
UTG: $24.98
MP: $25.00
CO: $25.00
BTN: $28.10
SB: $33.85

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 9 9
1 fold, MP raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 9 6 J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.05, Hero raises to $3.15, MP raises to $7, Hero raises to $15, MP raises to $24 all in, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($50.10) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($50.10) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50.10
Hero shows 9 9 (Full house, nines full of sixes)
MP shows J J (Full house, jacks full of sixes)
MP wins $47.61
(Rake: $2.49)


5.
Pretty standard with two overs + nut draw, and he was aggro fish

UTG: $24.37
MP: $24.75
CO: $24.84
BTN: $25.05
SB: $36.86
Hero (BB): $25.38

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q A
UTG raises to $0.85, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, UTG calls $2.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.95) 6 5 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $21.37 all in, Hero calls $17.37

Turn: ($49.69) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($49.69) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $49.69
UTG shows 7 7 (Straight, four to eight)
Hero shows Q A (One pair, queens)
UTG wins $47.23
(Rake: $2.46)

6.
always 4bets AK+. Folds to most 3bets. leaving TT, JJ, AQs, AQo, AJs


CO: $38.38
BTN: $23.40
Hero (SB): $25.00
BB: $20.90
UTG: $16.20
MP: $41.57

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K K
3 folds, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($6.25) 9 8 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, BTN raises to $20.40 all in, Hero calls $15.90

Turn: ($47.05) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($47.05) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $47.05
BTN shows Q A (Flush, ace high)
Hero shows K K (One pair, kings)
BTN wins $44.71
(Rake: $2.34)


and 5 more hands like this. please tell me what part is wrong.

If you play for stacks all the time you are bound to get more variance into your game. You were unlucky to hit the bad side of variance (Ive been there also and it costed me 21 buy ins in 3 days). You either have the stomach to endure this or you start playing 3 streets for value and think on ways to cut your losses when the cards dont go your way ...

At the expense of some of my winrate I did just that, but then again it eventually ended up higher cause I now dont tilt as much...

Honestly i only tilted 1 hand here. (not posted) Where i squeezed QTs on button vs fish and aggro tag and hit queens on flop with dry low cards and was pwned by aces. Only 1 hand so tilt isn't a issue, i have a issue with anger as i throw **** and yell because its so ridiculous but dont tilt.

So your basically saying play less tables and it balances out over time?

looking forward to that good variance where i can win $ with a set loool, every set i had lost loooool so sickkk

1. as standard as can be
2. unlucky but flop call is horrible (though obviously wouldnt have mattered)
3. just silly
4. just unlucky
5. as standard as can be
6. as standard as can be.


Just to keep this in the context of psychology....

You initial post was a question on how you deal with bad players getting lucky against you repeatedly. After posts suggesting you show more respect to your opponents and lose your sense of entitlement you post these hands. 2 were set over set which is just downright unlucky (even if your flat with JJ was awful). Not bad play by your opponents - just two cooler hands that some you will benefit from and some you will lose from. Number 3 is just daft. 1, 5 and 6, are all totally standard and arent even worth considering at all in the context of being lucky or unlucky. Standard as you can possibly get.

Two suggestions I would make,
Firstly as mentioned above, dont think that you have no leaks or even only a few. You have tons (as do 99.9% of people here). Admit you are a poor player striving to improve and stick all your energy into getting better. The results will follow. Im not saying this to have a go but you are playing micro limits. If you had no leaks you would be tearing through these games. Leave the ego at the door.

Secondly, if you dont like varience then dont spend your time playing high varience games. Varience isnt a bad thing - it is a natural product of the game. As you recognise sometimes you benefit from it and sometimes you dont. Long term (for the most part) it will have zero impact on how your poker career turns out. I have no idea if you really have "definitely ran worse then good overall" but keep in mind - how many people, and particularly at micro stakes, really believe they have ran good overall? Very very very few.

Thanks for the feedback. I disagree with beeing a bad player though. At least at micros, even with this sick session i am still up after a couple 100k hands at nl50 / nl25. I understand ranges fairly well, i understand positional fundamentals perfectly, 4bet bluff, i understand board texture, squeeze, player types, etc i understand all the moves. Of course i have leaks, durrr has leaks, everyone does but do i think i am a poor player, no.

As for hand #3. Which part was terrible? Aggro of 6.0 post. 3bets a ton post. Seen 3bet flushes. Yes the call wasn't warranted by pot odds on the flop, but if a unsuited straight card comes i would stack him, implied odds. and even vs a set on the turn i had fairly good equity. ( i called his range out perfectly -> 56 67 98 flush draw which is why i played it as i did)

-jacks hand your 10000% right 4bet or fold is best play. to be in there oop is horrible especially as he has a narrow 3bet range. i was just getting frustrated. but postflop is unlucky as it gets.

-bad opponent hands i didn't post. there are two, two pair hands, where i get rivered by a two pair that are higher. and was betting for full value all streets, no slow playing. 40/30 / 60/50 fish though so whats the point.

When that happened to me I was 16 tabling full ring and beeing basically an aggro donk at games full of nits and regs. I learned to table select properly and I limit myself to 6 fishy tables now. With the extra time I have I can think on varying my play and really exploiting my oponnents.

One thing that we really must have on our minds at all times is that this game is all about exploiting other players. The cards only act as a last resort if anything else fails. We must play Man/position/cards in this order of importance so that when cards dont go our way we will be playing with the money we won 3-beting the guy who folds 90% of the times to 3-bets when he is in position, double barreling the guy who calls every flops then gives up or floating the guy with a wide preflop range that fires the first barrel and then shuts down !!

i agree with all of that and know it. i am a stats man, i rely on my hud. wtsd<20% and folds to cbet 30% 2nd barrel profitable, 3bet button is always good ik all this. just sick how the cards can go sometimes. if poker was my real income i dont know how i could handle sessions like this at a real stake.

-well ive calmed down now so ill try again on one of my accounts on a different site and see how it goes!

Just got two more sets and BOTH cracked on river. Now i am believing firmly absolute / ub poker is rigged. love to see the probability in not winning one set out of prob 10 times now. ****ing bull****

lol

lol

i have to admit it is kind of funny almost. most likely ub like all other poker rooms is not rigged but i mean what realistically is the probably of 10 sets, non-exaggeration, literally 10 times and all cracked either on river or by over set. sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. todays probably the worst ive ever ran. sure ive lost more at nl50 in a single day but never anything so sick as this.

i guess tomorrow is my time to river ****ers lool.

But hows your ¥JPY EV?

>>>how do you grind it out full time

i suggest you focus only on the things you can control, which include your skill level, playing within your bankroll, work ethic, table selection and stuff like that.

your job is not to "not get outdrawn 10 times in a row". your job is to play well against players that are (on average) worse than you. and play a lot. and keep getting better.

the more you play, the less you will be mentally affected by short term luck. but this takes a long time. i have been playing since 2003, and i have had many painful downswings, but i have eventually overcome them all and set new highs.

and i know this cycle will happen many more times. so it would be silly of me to be bothered by it, just as it would be silly for a slot machine to get upset whenever someone hit a jackpot on it.

just plan to play a lot in games where you have an edge and expect a lot of good things and bad things happen. and human nature guarantees you will remember the bad stuff for a lot longer than the good stuff, so things will tend to seem worse than they are.

and forget about whether or not it's rigged. plenty of players are steady winners despite whatever cheating is going on. the games are beatable, so just grind.

>>>Do you find it disgusting on days where you
>>>lose 6 buy ins and your $USD EV is positive?

no. not one single bit.

and as long as your bankroll isn't in jeopardy because of it, you shouldn't be either.

>>>i just want to throw a chair at the dumb ****s
>>>who have no pot odds to call and no reason to
>>>and hit the magic card.

would you prefer that they play well?

do you also want to throw a chair the times a fish makes a similar play and doesn't draw out or is drawing stone dead against your hand? if not, why not?

or would you prefer that fish never be rewarded for their bad decisions. if that happened, soon poker would not be beatable. bad players would almost never play better players, and the games would dry up.

there's a reason why playing chess for money isn't wildly popular (like poker). there's pretty much no luck in chess. the fish get destroyed every time and would soon stop playing.

you should thank your lucky stars every time you see someone make a bad play.

and one last thing that hasn't been mentioned. you can also expect to make some bad plays yourself. everyone makes bad plays or get outplayed sometimes. you must have the ability to forgive yourself and grind on.

i wish you well.

Dude, don't assume your leaks have to be in the big pots where you lost money.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...h-game-898248/

Please read Post #12 in the linked to thread, it perfectly describes what is going on here.

After you read Post #12, please feel free to chime in on what 'level or levels' you think OP is on Also, for shtts and giggles what level/levels you think you are on

OP, if you are honest, i'd be curious to see what level you think you are on.

know what you want to get out of each session. If you break it down to you just want to make money, then find the softest games and exploit the weaknesses. If you want to have fun use good BR management and play the games you enjoy. If your egotistical and wanna beat the best game engulf yourself in tough competition. Don't go into it thinking this is going to be another session of many, cause you drain so much EV and bb/100. Your goal can simply be do not call a PFR either fold or RR.

Quote every single word. Very well said! You should probably start studying chess, so you will be able to blame only yourself (no variance there!)

As other people have said you really need to change your attitude

1) Poker is a long term game

You WANT people putting their stacks in needing to catch 4 cards,etc. Just because you got your money in 85% favourite doesn't mean you are entitled to win. They do deserve to win 15% of the time - when you lose it is one of those 15%. Sometimes it clusters into a bad run yes, but what you need to remember is that poker is a long term game - it will even out.

2) Variance is good

You really need to think about how poker works - variance is really quite beautiful - if your opponent never sucked out on you they wouldn't make those dumb plays and you would not win any money. Very simple.

I dont think you did anything wrong when you asked about it....i just think you got really unlucky. All those hands you posted up have no strategy bro....you just had a nice hand and you kept hitting sets on the flop lol BUUUUTTT, someone always had a bigger set. So don't blame your game for this, it's not your fault.