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Old 06-12-2017, 05:19 PM   #26
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^ i'll never start games on here whereas other sites I do.
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Old 06-13-2017, 05:42 PM   #27
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The rake on this site really is a killer.
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Old 06-13-2017, 08:21 PM   #28
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The rake on this site really is a killer.
I see a post from the Global rep saying rake it 5%, is this incorrect?
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Old 06-13-2017, 09:29 PM   #29
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I see a post from the Global rep saying rake it 5%, is this incorrect?
Yes 5%/$3 cap mostly, which is comparable in the industry for full games. Where they are below industry standard is:

-No decrease in rake for short handed play. Heads up games are even still capped at $3.

-The $3 cap is only being held for stakes up to 200nl, it's increased to a higher cap for higher stakes.
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:56 AM   #30
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Can we get a comment from a site rep about how this is a "competitive" rake structure?
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:15 PM   #31
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I am all for lower rake , but worry any site offering rakeback is soon overrun with bots
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We definitely don't want them offering rakeback. ACR was used as an example because they're rake is much lower to begin with and even that much lower when rakeback is factored in. Global should just lower rake to levels that are actually competitive and never offer rakeback. As it stands now the rake cap is too high at micro / small stakes and heads up / shorthanded rake is way too high at every limit.
Such ridiculous logic!

Rakeback is basically just a round the houses way of lowering the rake. Whether a site charges x% rake with no rakeback or 1.25x% rake with 20% rakeback, it amounts to the same thing. Rakeback per se has no bearing on whether bots would overrun a site!

And saying you definitely don't want rakeback is equally as ludicrous, of course.
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Old 06-17-2017, 05:26 PM   #32
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I wanted to chime in on this in case the people who run the site are following along. You're actually hurting your own bottom line by not reducing the rake when games are short-handed, or at the very least when new tables are started. For example, I'd start new games and play regs heads up if there was little/no rake... Then once the game fills in you have another table running making X/hr off the normal full rake. Instead, nobody wants to start new tables and play short-handed because the rake is too high.

If you reduce/eliminate rake for 2-4 players on new games, you'll almost certainly see more tables running and more tables filling up!
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Old 06-18-2017, 12:47 AM   #33
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should be a lot less rake for tables 4 players and under
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:43 PM   #34
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Any talk on capping rake for short handed games? I want to help you I really do, but I'm not going to battle a reg HU with rake cap at $4. Help me start some games here.
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Old 08-01-2017, 06:20 AM   #35
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im working my way up to the 10/20 games. I was going to battle regs there if they were interested, but now the rake is $5.50 i will not give action. It seems too high for any hu reg battling to take place for me. Would really appreciate a fair rake structure for hu games, and i think the site would possibly not lose money from it as very few people play hu at 6max tables as it is, but a lower rake structure would increase action for hu and potentially make the site more money.


if you think about it this way:

If a fish/weak player joins a 10/20 game where a reg is sitting, the table will get filled quite fast. There you cannot have reg vs fish action hu.
If reg sits with another reg at a 10/20 game, then one will almost certainly sit out, as the rake is too high for hu.

Therefore, no money is made with such high rake for hu.
Therefore, reduce the rake for hu and people will battle at 10/20 games.
It also brings railbirds and competition/ego battling!

QED.

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Old 08-02-2017, 03:53 PM   #36
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im working my way up to the 10/20 games. I was going to battle regs there if they were interested, but now the rake is $5.50 i will not give action. It seems too high for any hu reg battling to take place for me. Would really appreciate a fair rake structure for hu games, and i think the site would possibly not lose money from it as very few people play hu at 6max tables as it is, but a lower rake structure would increase action for hu and potentially make the site more money.


if you think about it this way:

If a fish/weak player joins a 10/20 game where a reg is sitting, the table will get filled quite fast. There you cannot have reg vs fish action hu.
If reg sits with another reg at a 10/20 game, then one will almost certainly sit out, as the rake is too high for hu.

Therefore, no money is made with such high rake for hu.
Therefore, reduce the rake for hu and people will battle at 10/20 games.
It also brings railbirds and competition/ego battling!

QED.
I agree with this and also want to add that the high rake for shorthanded tables prevents games from forming. You might not realize it but very frequently every single 6max table is full at a particular stake and there are a bunch of people waiting to sit at a table where are 3 or more players seated. I try to start 6m tables but end up seated alone for a long time because nobody wants to play heads up due to the rake (myself included). However, as soon as it gets to 3 handed the game fills almost instantly. Right now you're discouraging people from starting new tables and i think you're really underestimating how many more full 6m tables there would be if only people were encouraged to start them.

Here's the rake structure from ACR:

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Heads up rake cap @ 200nl & lower: Global - $3 , ACR - $.50
Heads up rake cap @ $400/$600nl: Global - $3.5/$4 , ACR - $1/$1
Heads up rake cap @ 2knl: Global - $5.5 , ACR - $1.25
Global heads up rake is 472% higher across all limits.

3 handed rake cap @ 200 & lower: Global - $3 , ACR - $1
3 handed rake cap @ $400/$600nl: Global - $3.5/$4 , ACR - $1.50
3 handed rake cap @ 2knl: Global - $5.5 , ACR - $1.75
Global 3 handed rake is 288% higher across all limits

4 handed rake cap @ 200nl & lower: Global - $3 , ACR - $2
4 handed rake cap @ 400/600nl: Global - $3.5/$4 , ACR - $2
4 handed rake cap @ 2knl: Global - $5.5 , ACR - 2.25
Global 4 handed rake is 194% higher across all limits

But that doesn't even give a full picture of how much higher your rake is because ACR also gives 27% rakeback. So saying that your rake is competitive isn't accurate.
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Old 08-02-2017, 06:38 PM   #37
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The short-handed rake needs to be lowered.
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Old 08-06-2017, 12:44 PM   #38
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Greedy rake change. Here's how this works because I know Global Poker is reading this. You start making small changes like this and it gives people one more reason to leave. You throw in a few disconnects and you give them multiple reasons to leave. I saw this happen with ignition where rake went up and some people I knew quit. Disconnects started becoming frequent and I saw a lot less traffic.

One more vote for a bad move on Global's part.

Global is definitely monitoring the forums to get user feedback. So if you also feel the same way you should post your opinion as well, after all it's your money you're voting/playing with. Someone said a site has never lowered their rake changes due to complaining. To that I say that I've never seen a site up the rake as you move up levels. That's an obvious clue that whoever is setting this up hasn't been paying attention to the other "competitive" sites rake structures. They definitely need the feedback.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:03 PM   #39
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Calling a raise from 3 dollars to 5.50, nearly doubling it "modest" is kind of adding insult to insult.

This was kind of the last straw for me. Jacking the rake this high just kind of takes the fun out of it. It was a fun site while it lasted. Would anyone recommend a good alternative?
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Old 08-07-2017, 12:43 PM   #40
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Please do not offer rake back. It would be wise to consider lowering the current rake to $3 max at any level. If you start considering rake back in the future, don't do it. But rather, lower the rake.
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Old 08-07-2017, 03:05 PM   #41
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confirmed lowering the rake, even if only at short handed, by even a small amount>>>>>>>>> rakeback
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Old 08-07-2017, 06:29 PM   #42
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I have noticed in the following weeks after the increase that it is much harder to scout for a table with a spot open. As soon as you see the 5/6 or 8/9 players pop up the page snaps back to the top. Frustrating.

That's another whole can of worms completely. On the SnG page and cash page when player number change to full the page will just snap toward the top. Happens on Windows, Mac, and mobile. UGH!
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Old 08-08-2017, 12:38 AM   #43
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On the SnG page and cash page when player number change to full the page will just snap toward the top. Happens on Windows, Mac, and mobile. UGH!
Yes, please fix this. It's one of the most frustrating bugs I've ever experienced. It makes me wish I can go back to just being annoyed about the "Running" SnGs on top of the "Registering."
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:05 AM   #44
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The rake prob makes stakes below like nl 400 unprofitable unless a super great player.. like almost world class

or always have a few fish playing in game playing like 40% of hands at least
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:08 AM   #45
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I agree with this and also want to add that the high rake for shorthanded tables prevents games from forming. You might not realize it but very frequently every single 6max table is full at a particular stake and there are a bunch of people waiting to sit at a table where are 3 or more players seated. I try to start 6m tables but end up seated alone for a long time because nobody wants to play heads up due to the rake (myself included). However, as soon as it gets to 3 handed the game fills almost instantly. Right now you're discouraging people from starting new tables and i think you're really underestimating how many more full 6m tables there would be if only people were encouraged to start them.

Here's the rake structure from ACR:

[IMG][/IMG]`1


Heads up rake cap @ 200nl & lower: Global - $3 , ACR - $.50
Heads up rake cap @ $400/$600nl: Global - $3.5/$4 , ACR - $1/$1
Heads up rake cap @ 2knl: Global - $5.5 , ACR - $1.25
Global heads up rake is 472% higher across all limits.

3 handed rake cap @ 200 & lower: Global - $3 , ACR - $1
3 handed rake cap @ $400/$600nl: Global - $3.5/$4 , ACR - $1.50
3 handed rake cap @ 2knl: Global - $5.5 , ACR - $1.75
Global 3 handed rake is 288% higher across all limits

4 handed rake cap @ 200nl & lower: Global - $3 , ACR - $2
4 handed rake cap @ 400/600nl: Global - $3.5/$4 , ACR - $2
4 handed rake cap @ 2knl: Global - $5.5 , ACR - 2.25
Global 4 handed rake is 194% higher across all limits

But that doesn't even give a full picture of how much higher your rake is because ACR also gives 27% rakeback. So saying that your rake is competitive isn't accurate.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:25 PM   #46
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^seriously I don't get how you can say you are competitive at all when it comes to rake.
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:21 PM   #47
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^seriously I don't get how you can say you are competitive at all when it comes to rake.
Their argument will go something like this.

"We have the lowest rake of all legal US facing poker sites that use a sweepstakes model and cash out your winnings in PayPal."

Not to say that I don't want the rake to be lowered, but even with the high rake we all still play. The games are good and winnings can be in PayPal the next day. Until the numbers drop, Global won't change rake structure.

Once players start packing up and the games begin to go dry, I bet we will find that the rake can then magically be lowered.

It's supply and demand but with $weeps Cash.
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Old 09-06-2017, 07:24 PM   #48
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Have had 10 PLO tables break in the past 1.5 hours with literally half the players saying rake is too high once it got 2-3 handed. I'm done trying to table start anymore at this point. Just getting hit and run non stop
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:04 AM   #49
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Is there no late registration in MTT's?
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:54 AM   #50
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Have had 10 PLO tables break in the past 1.5 hours with literally half the players saying rake is too high once it got 2-3 handed. I'm done trying to table start anymore at this point. Just getting hit and run non stop
Global rake unbeatable at 2/4 and under pretty much.

lol at them taking 3 - 6bb per hand in their lower stakes games.

Phil Ivey at his best is drawing stone dead paying 6bb/hand

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