I still think we could have our cake and eat it too. Why not have the tables as they are now, and add in deep tables as well, with the min buyins recommended above. Then the numbers will show which tables are wanted by the Global community.

This I don't like. Anything that separates the small-ish player pool into segments isn't a good idea in my opinion. Additionally, introducing both variants (with the intention of removing the least popular variant), will result in a % of the player pool being upset (even if it is the smaller portion of player pool).

+1 to your idea railbird but as others have noted I think 40 BB would make a bit more sense

It would be one thing if it was some isolated occurrence but on GP there are a substantial number of 'short stack regs' where all they will do for hours on end is buy in for 5$ at 50 NL or 10$ at 100 NL (all that I can speak to in my experience) and there only move is shove or fold. Often times if you are trying to play deep stack poker (the whole point of playing cash games) these short stacks can push potential callers out of your pot while also forcing you to tighten up your range to be prepared to call their shoves

This allowance of short stackers introduces MTT-esque variables to a cash game situation that are supposed to be inherently separate, it is frustrating and it is a problem, hopefully GP can fix this for us.

Fair points no argument here.

Adapt and take their money. That is what I do. There shove range has to be a lot wider, so learn to call a lot wider.

I agree, kind of. As long as the people doing it aren't employing perfect 10-20BB strategy then your strategy works. It's the ones who understand how to actually play their short stacks well, problems will arise.

In my opinion, we haven't gotten to a place where all of the short stacks are playing perfectly yet, but the trend will be that direction.

About 98% of shortstackers are terrible. Fifty years from now I suspect that the percentage will drop to about 95%.

Time will tell, but I wouldn't bet against it either.

Shortstackers remove the edge that you look to have by playing deeper cash games. If I wanted to play 10-20bb shove or fold poker I would play MTTs.

But since there are so many advocates for 10-20bb cash games then I guess I am going to spend some time perfecting my 10-20bb game and Ill sit every table from 100nl-2knl. Be careful what you wish for.

Hope everyone is ready!

Any solution needs to work for both recs and regs. 10bb is a little low and takes enjoyment out of game. It does hurt winrate etc but it makes rec players feel they can gamble etc. Going to 40bb is off putting to mny fish and will hurt the games. I'd be content with a mere 20bb min as it moves towards industry's standard and solves both issues.

I'm against any rule change that has a reasonable chance of chasing away fish. If raising the minimum buy-in to 20 or 30 bb won't chase away the fish, then I'm all for it. Otherwise....

I agree please raise the minimum buy in

anyone who is too radical on either side of this issue is plain wrong imo. saying that ss'ers "destroy the games" is just lol. there are so many other issues that need to be addressed (software stuff). I wouldn't mind the min buyin being raised some I guess tho.

The only reason I want to agree with you is because you have the best avatar.

Extreme short stackers (<20bb) that are playing in 100bb games do ruin the game. It makes your opening range tighten up and if you get 3-4 regs tightening up then the game becomes quite boring. Boring = No fun = Ruin.

or, maybe 10bb don't matter, and you can gamble with them constantly. they win=they leave problem solved. they lose=you get $/they rebuy or leave. they tighten up/get scared=maybe they seek different games. I donno, I agree that they should maybe raise it, but shorties don't really bother me much.

thx and I agree about my avatar.

The 10bb min is absolutely ridiculous... I understand it's a rec friendly site but you offer plenty of limits to not need to have 10bb buy ins... with a 5$ bankroll you can sit on 4nl 10nl 20nl and 50nl. I'm at the 20nl level and I open the one 6max with an open seat and I see 5 players and the biggest stack is 4 dollars and change. With one player grinding his $0.96 stack.


My opinion is add 2nl and raise it to at least 30bbs... that will allow people to get in with as little as $0.60 and keep the games somewhat deeper.

Just my 2c.

I like Global, but the 10bb minimum is absolutely insane.

saw in "suggestions" thread that the min bi is 25bi now; can this be confirmed? if so, you guys got your message through it would seem.

I saw this too... wish I could log in to see it myself but I have a hunch there would be a number of posts correcting the mistake were it not true. 2+2 will always point out your mistakes

it's annoying for sure but I would say >50% of short stackers aren't playing nash. idk if i want to jump to the conclusion that it's a problem.

It's true. Sucks for those that can't get on, but yes, all cash games are 25BB minimum buy-in now.

I'm cool with whatever, but I think its nice that (maybe) the voices were heard in here. now its time to go over to the "rake is too high" thread lol.

Can confirm that based on player feedback the minimum buy in has been raised to 25 big blinds.

Can also confirm that tubasteve's avatar on this forum is mesmerizing

I like mine better.

thanks for updating. now howz about the shorthanded rake?!

Way to listen to the players! **Standing ovation for GP*