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06-05-2023 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
The bad luck continues....1st hand I play in the $33 bounty series I flop the 2nd straight...of course the limper has the nuts.

Can not do a damn thing right. Ready to just cash everything out give up.

P!ssed away half my bankroll in less than month.b
I'm right there with ya, bud. Just played the $11 bounty event, didn't save the replay cuz I was on my cell, but had AA, raise 3x pre from like UTG +2, get a call from loose donk on my left, and sb. J hi flop 2 clubs. I bet 1/2 pot, donk calls. turn is blank but brings another D for 2 flush draws, I bet 2x pot to price out any flush draws, which also put him all in, he snaps with Kx no pr flush draw and nails club on river.

Honestly, the GC events are tougher players than a lot of the SC ones.
06-05-2023 , 09:10 PM
Move to sattys only for mtt entries.

Grind sngs to rebuild BR. Hit those jumpstarts for a low variance grind (see: angerissues for an example of running those games).
06-05-2023 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
The bad luck continues....1st hand I play in the $33 bounty series I flop the 2nd straight...of course the limper has the nuts.

Can not do a damn thing right. Ready to just cash everything out give up.

P!ssed away half my bankroll in less than month.b
I know you aren't a shill, keep your head up. The run bad has to turn around eventually. Maybe step down in stakes for a little bit, till things shape up for you.
06-05-2023 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Zakaren
Maybe step down in stakes for a little bit, till things shape up for you.
Very good advice!
06-05-2023 , 11:59 PM
Been playing online poker forever and despite my screen name I have never posted anything bad about a site until today. There is something wrong with Global we need someone to get actual hand histories to analyze because anecdotal evidence won't work. To get the hand histories we need to break their T & Cs and use a screen grab program because the ones on the site are useless. I have very limited programming abilities to make one, but I know there must be a program that exists already ( I wouldn't know where to get it as I don't cheat). I will risk my account to finally get answers because I really do think there are site players or massive collusion. I have made about 3k on Global from 10nl to 50nl but still something is amiss.

I had a guy slip up and tell me he had trips, when the money went in before he did.

Last edited by I hate poker!; 06-06-2023 at 12:06 AM.
06-06-2023 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by I hate poker!
Been playing online poker forever and despite my screen name I have never posted anything bad about a site until today. There is something wrong with Global we need someone to get actual hand histories to analyze because anecdotal evidence won't work. To get the hand histories we need to break their T & Cs and use a screen grab program because the ones on the site are useless. I have very limited programming abilities to make one, but I know there must be a program that exists already ( I wouldn't know where to get it as I don't cheat). I will risk my account to finally get answers because I really do think there are site players or massive collusion. I have made about 3k on Global from 10nl to 50nl but still something is amiss.

I had a guy slip up and tell me he had trips, when the money went in before he did.
I'd like to know who the guy is, feel free to pm me a name. I think we've all had the terrible down swings were we doubt or play or the RNG. I'm not defending global in the slightest, I've been there. In the midst of it you just feel you can't win, like the rng is off. But unless data is collected we will never know the truth.
06-06-2023 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Zakaren
I'd like to know who the guy is, feel free to pm me a name. I think we've all had the terrible down swings were we doubt or play or the RNG. I'm not defending global in the slightest, I've been there. In the midst of it you just feel you can't win, like the rng is off. But unless data is collected we will never know the truth.
Doubt *our* play
06-06-2023 , 10:35 AM
I don't remember his name, I was so shocked at the slip up and tried to get more out of him that I didn't even notice that my phone was dying (I know sounds like BS). Tried to get back on and was already kicked out of my tables and as you know there is no way to look it up after.

I am going to try and get the data so it can be proven one way or the other just seems like so many pros avoid the site and it makes no sense because they have the softest player pool and fast payouts without using crypto, unless they know something we don't.

To all the people out there blasting the riggies many things that start out as conspiracy theory often do become fact, but Global almost makes it almost impossible to investigate. The fact alone that it can not be easily done unlike almost every other poker site makes them a little more suspect of hiding something.
06-06-2023 , 11:25 AM
https://www.vgw.co

Here's the public company you are all being so silly about.

Global doesn't want pros, obviously. The software is 100% aimed at recreational players. Only USA and Canada. No trackers, no huds, no card catchers. No pros.

It is a fun site, with no reason to rig deals, and every reason not to do so.

Last edited by rrieman; 06-06-2023 at 11:26 AM. Reason: url
06-06-2023 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rrieman
https://www.vgw.co

Here's the public company you are all being so silly about.

Global doesn't want pros, obviously. The software is 100% aimed at recreational players. Only USA and Canada. No trackers, no huds, no card catchers. No pros.

It is a fun site, with no reason to rig deals, and every reason not to do so.
agree with this post 100%
06-06-2023 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by I hate poker!
To all the people out there blasting the riggies many things that start out as conspiracy theory often do become fact, but Global almost makes it almost impossible to investigate. The fact alone that it can not be easily done unlike almost every other poker site makes them a little more suspect of hiding something.
Word salad
06-06-2023 , 05:46 PM
This is just getting worse and worse close thread please someone.
06-07-2023 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
This is just getting worse and worse close thread please someone.
But these are your people! They think the literal exact same thing that you do (well...when you're on a 200 game b/e stretch)
06-07-2023 , 10:37 AM
VGW is not a publicly traded company so there financials are not completely transparent, also there have been many instances of public companies hiding wrong doing or incompetence. Their entire business model is based on being forced to give out free money to make it a sweepstakes, last financials I saw poker was losing them money and then they add rakeback to make even less.

So how many of you had crypto in FTX, saying my money is ok they have no reason to take my money, SBF is such a good guy.

Shady Poker Sites:
GG Poker banning winners and the Brynn Kenney issues
ACR bot problem and them not caring because rake
Lock Poker
Ultimate Bet
Full Tilt
Absolute Poker
Mike Postle

Not all cheating is happening from the top, all is required is a few bad insiders, lax security, and no way for the community to police it (hand histories). Don't be so gullible to think every company is squeaky clean.
06-07-2023 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
I'm assuming ChatGTP has learned how to write convincing riggie troll posts. No way this is real.
Here is what you get if you ask ChatGPT to write five paragraphs explaining why online poker is rigged.

User
Please write five paragraphs explaining why online poker is rigged.
ChatGPT
Title: Examining Claims of Online Poker Rigging

Online poker has long been a subject of debate, with some players alleging that the game is rigged against them. However, it is important to approach such claims with a critical mindset and evaluate them based on evidence and logical reasoning. While there may be occasional instances of unethical behavior in any industry, including online poker, it is unfounded and misleading to make sweeping statements that the entire industry is rigged. In this analysis, we will examine five key arguments often put forward by skeptics and provide a balanced perspective on each.

Firstly, one common claim is that online poker sites manipulate the software to create predetermined outcomes. However, reputable online poker platforms employ sophisticated random number generators (RNGs) that ensure the fairness and unpredictability of card distributions. These RNGs are subject to rigorous testing and independent audits, ensuring compliance with regulatory standards. While players may experience bad beats or unfavorable outcomes, this can be attributed to the inherent nature of poker as a game of skill and chance, rather than an indication of rigging.

Secondly, some players argue that collusion between multiple players or even between players and the site itself occurs, leading to unfair advantages. While collusion can happen in any form of poker, reputable online platforms invest significant resources in implementing security measures to detect and prevent collusion. Advanced algorithms and data analysis techniques are employed to identify suspicious patterns or irregularities in gameplay. Additionally, player reporting systems and community vigilance contribute to identifying and addressing potential cases of collusion, further safeguarding the integrity of online poker.

Another point often raised is the suggestion that online poker platforms use bots to artificially enhance the player pool. Bots are automated programs that can play poker, and while their existence cannot be entirely ruled out, reputable sites implement robust measures to identify and eradicate them. Continuous monitoring, pattern analysis, and player feedback mechanisms are employed to detect and ban any suspicious accounts. Rigorous enforcement and strict penalties for the use of bots act as deterrents, maintaining a fair and competitive environment.

The concept of "bad beats" is often cited as evidence of rigging, with players claiming that improbable card combinations occur too frequently. However, statistical analysis reveals that unlikely hands are bound to happen in a large number of hands dealt over time. The volume of online poker games, with millions of hands played daily, increases the likelihood of witnessing unusual outcomes. Understanding probability and variance is crucial in interpreting these occurrences objectively, rather than attributing them to rigged systems.

Lastly, skeptics argue that online poker sites have a vested interest in maximizing profits, potentially compromising fairness. While it is true that online poker is a business, reputable sites rely on player trust and a fair gaming environment to thrive in the long term. Rigging the game would undermine their reputation, leading to a loss of player confidence and ultimately diminishing profits. Moreover, regulatory bodies and licensing requirements hold online poker platforms accountable, ensuring they adhere to strict guidelines and maintain transparency in their operations.

In conclusion, claims that online poker is rigged are often based on misconceptions, a lack of understanding of statistical probability, or isolated incidents that do not reflect the overall integrity of the industry. Reputable online poker platforms operate under strict regulations, employing state-of-the-art technology and security measures to provide fair gameplay. While players may face occasional bad beats or encounter cheaters, these issues are not indicative of a widespread rigging conspiracy. By understanding the inherent nature of poker, statistical probability, and the efforts made by reputable platforms to ensure fairness, players can enjoy the game with confidence in its integrity.
06-07-2023 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
I'm assuming ChatGTP has learned how to write convincing riggie troll posts. No way this is real.
You may be right. Here is what you get if you ask ChatGPT to defend the position that Online Poker is rigged. It is very similar to IsleofScams posts. It would be really funny if a poster complaining about online poker and Bots was using a Bot to write his posts.

Please write 6 paragraphs defending the position the online poker is rigged.

ChatGPT
Title: Online Poker: Addressing Concerns of Rigged Gameplay

Introduction:
Online poker has gained immense popularity in recent years, allowing players from all over the world to compete against each other from the comfort of their own homes. However, a persistent concern that often arises is the alleged rigging of online poker platforms. While it is essential to maintain a fair and secure gaming environment, it is crucial to acknowledge the validity of concerns expressed by some players. In this essay, we will explore six key arguments that defend the position that online poker is rigged.

Lack of Transparency:
Online poker platforms typically lack transparency in their algorithms and shuffling processes. Without insight into the mechanics behind card distribution, players are left questioning the legitimacy of the game. Unlike in physical casinos, where cards are manually shuffled and dealt, online platforms rely on random number generators (RNGs), which are susceptible to manipulation or bias. The absence of transparency raises concerns regarding the fairness and randomness of the gameplay.

Seemingly Impossible Odds:
Players often report experiencing improbable odds, such as losing streaks or consistently encountering high-ranking hands by opponents. While variance is a natural element of poker, the frequency at which highly unlikely scenarios occur in online poker can lead to suspicion. Some argue that the odds are deliberately skewed to create excitement or increase revenue for the platform, potentially at the expense of fair gameplay.

Collusion and Bot Usage:
The online environment presents opportunities for collusion among players or the use of automated poker bots. Collusion involves two or more players sharing information or working together to gain an unfair advantage over others. Additionally, sophisticated poker bots can be programmed to play with superhuman accuracy, giving certain players an unfair edge. These practices can significantly impact the fairness and integrity of online poker games.

Lack of Regulation and Oversight:
Online poker platforms operate in a relatively unregulated industry. Unlike land-based casinos that face stringent regulations and oversight, online platforms often lack proper supervision. This absence of regulatory measures makes it easier for dishonest operators to manipulate the games without fear of consequences. The lack of oversight undermines player confidence and fuels suspicions of rigged gameplay.

Inadequate Security Measures:
Concerns about hacking and cheating in online poker are prevalent. Unscrupulous individuals may exploit vulnerabilities in the platform's security measures to gain unauthorized access to player accounts, enabling them to see opponents' hole cards or manipulate outcomes. These security breaches can give rise to suspicions of rigged gameplay, as players question the platform's ability to protect their personal and financial information.

Anecdotal Evidence and Testimonies:
Many players have come forward with their experiences of suspicious behavior or perceived manipulation in online poker games. While anecdotal evidence cannot be considered definitive proof, the sheer volume of such testimonies warrants a closer examination of the issue. The consistency in the concerns raised by players indicates a need for further investigation to ensure the integrity of online poker platforms.

Conclusion:
While online poker platforms have undoubtedly revolutionized the way people play the game, it is crucial to address the concerns raised by players regarding the alleged rigging of online poker. Transparency, regulation, security measures, and fair play should be prioritized to safeguard the integrity of online poker games and restore player confidence. By implementing measures that ensure randomness, prevent collusion and cheating, and increase transparency, online poker platforms can demonstrate their commitment to fair gameplay and foster trust among their users.

Last edited by steamboatin; 06-07-2023 at 11:07 AM. Reason: clarity
06-07-2023 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Zakaren
Dang, and i'm over here crying about a 7 buy in down swing at .10/.20 cash games. LOL
Finally won a tournament, however only for about 400($C)...one of those crazy tournaments where I was short stacked almost the entire tournament, yet when it went got down to 3 players I won every hand I played...Im sure if our special contributors saw how the FT played out, they would cry "rigged!"

Obviously when you run bad and get tilted, you start making more mistakes and Im sure I played many hands bad that accelerated my losses.

That said hopefully this little win sparks a "run good" period and before I know it my account is back to all time highs.
06-07-2023 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
Finally won a tournament, however only for about 400($C)...one of those crazy tournaments where I was short stacked almost the entire tournament, yet when it went got down to 3 players I won every hand I played...Im sure if our special contributors saw how the FT played out, they would cry "rigged!"

Obviously when you run bad and get tilted, you start making more mistakes and Im sure I played many hands bad that accelerated my losses.

That said hopefully this little win sparks a "run good" period and before I know it my account is back to all time highs.
I'm sure recovering a little bankroll is good for the sanity. Good luck at the tables.
06-09-2023 , 02:34 AM
The amount of times this happens drives me crazy.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...037c0001da373c

Last edited by Jr0d; 06-09-2023 at 02:36 AM. Reason: fiz link
06-09-2023 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
The amount of times this happens drives me crazy.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...037c0001da373c
LOL That's my dream senario (as your opponent) in a live setting. I've always wanted to say "if you have the nut flush, you lose."
06-09-2023 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
The amount of times this happens drives me crazy.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...037c0001da373c
That's gross, on the flop too.
06-09-2023 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
The amount of times this happens drives me crazy.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...037c0001da373c
It happens to everyone, it's about how you play your situations compared to everyone else. I'm not particularly a fan of the 2x river overbet here as played. Spend more time posting in strat than worrying about card variance IMHO.
06-09-2023 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
The amount of times this happens drives me crazy.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...037c0001da373c
Do you actually think that you are winning 25% when you get check raised on the river. How often do you see a c/r bluff vs a 2x overbet on the river?

A solver folds A3s ~half the time after overbetting river, and thats vs a perfect opponents thats finding all of the bluffs. I dont think a 20nl villain is finding the bluffs.


Try actually analyzing your play with a critical mindset, instead of chalking it up to variance and blaming the site. Yes in a sense its just a cooler but you played in way on the river that maximized your loss and minimized your wins vs the majority of his range.

Last edited by ledn; 06-09-2023 at 02:30 PM.
06-09-2023 , 02:44 PM
Yeah, I have to agree with the above. The 2x overbet is pretty atrocious. Villain probably doesn't even have that many Khx single hands. River is a snap fold to the jam, too. You're never ever good in a million years here.
06-09-2023 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Slap My Jack
It happens to everyone, it's about how you play your situations compared to everyone else. I'm not particularly a fan of the 2x river overbet here as played. Spend more time posting in strat than worrying about card variance IMHO.
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Originally Posted by ledn
Do you actually think that you are winning 25% when you get check raised on the river. How often do you see a c/r bluff vs a 2x overbet on the river?

A solver folds A3s ~half the time after overbetting river, and thats vs a perfect opponents thats finding all of the bluffs. I dont think a 20nl villain is finding the bluffs.


Try actually analyzing your play with a critical mindset, instead of chalking it up to variance and blaming the site. Yes in a sense its just a cooler but you played in way on the river that maximized your loss and minimized your wins vs the majority of his range.
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Originally Posted by acescracked84
Yeah, I have to agree with the above. The 2x overbet is pretty atrocious. Villain probably doesn't even have that many Khx single hands. River is a snap fold to the jam, too. You're never ever good in a million years here.
Don't listen to these guys. You're amazing, you never need to study to win at poker, and any losses you suffer is because the site is rigged against you/cashout curse/whatever that guy writing those paragraphs about playing 2nl was saying. Keep your head down, focus, maybe try playing a little higher stakes, and never study the game.

      
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