Oh wait : Maybe a Boiler Room would work also? Oh well just spit balling here . We all know there is cheating, Collusion , Whatever you want to call it. They cant stop it and seemingly they say they care but why should they?

That rake machine keeps churning . No reason to stop anything IMO

Ok now really back to my cave . More important things to do like watch UNR Basketball

I'm the .02/.04 guy.

I've been experiencing the same thing. I started playing this site 2 months ago and play midstakes. I play full time. I have to say that I never experienced crap results like this in all of the 5 years I've been playing full time. Sure, I experienced losing months elsewhere, but those were much tougher games. I have at least 2mil life time hands. Nearly the entire tables are fish, with only a small handful of regs. How am I nearly break even? I've played maybe 80k hands.


Before someone comments on the sample size. Like Upswing commented, this is extremely unlikely for a winning player to run this bad in these games. Think of live cash game pros who get no more than 15k hands each month and still crush; this is because the games are so soft that a huge sample size is not required for winning players.


The ****? It's insane. I used to play on stars where the games are much much much tougher and turned a profit each month.

BTW I'm familiar enough with programming to know how easy it would be to cheat the games in this browser-based software. One simple line of code can do it. I inspected the programming and discovered that it's as easy as adding one CCS class in the browser's code to make all hands visible. Anyone who at any time had access to the company code can do this without being discovered. It doesn't have to be rigged on their end; it's just a matter of knowing the programming and changing it on the user's end.


Give me a job at Global as a programmer for one week. I don't even have to change any code, but just be familiar with it. And i'll quit the job and make bank off of unsuspecting players.

I'm not saying this is what's happening, but it's very possible. Somethings going on... The fact that this is browser-based software, and how easy it is to create a new account makes it much easier to cheat.

who could this be, how many people roughly speaking? serious q im not a programming expert im a player as you can see from my posting history. Im guessing more than a few persons? And thanks for your post, welcome to the forum. when you said "extremely unlikely for a winning player to run this bad" agasint this type of player pool, thats EXACTLY how i feel about my personal results. Shoot so far this wk last 3x I got AA hu in a sng for most if not all the chips in play i got snapped called pre and lost, somewhat disheartening.

edit - nvm you edited your post as i was making mine, i understand and its not good

I'm busting my 2+2 cherry with my first post. Let me start by saying I've been enjoying Global for about 6 months now. It's the first online poker I've played since Black Friday. I'm a frequent flyer rec. player splitting time between cash, MTT's and SNG's and I'm a winning player across virtually every game I play.
There seems to be a disproportionate amount of Global players complaining about the crazy suck outs here and in the Global chat. I completely understand how illogical most of these complaints seem, but I too began to smell something fishy (pun intended). I blew the feeling off, especially since I've been winning, then I read the thread on the "sweepstakes" theory.
In short, my understanding of the theory is that since Global uses a Sweepstakes model, a winner of each hand is randomly chosen before the cards are dealt, in order to comply with regulations related to sweepstakes. Now this is an extremely simplified version of a complex theory, but should be sufficient for this post.
I thought I saw a pattern in these crazy suck outs. They almost always seemed to happen when 2 or more players were all in PRE FLOP.
I began to think, "what if I modified the sweepstakes theory", so play along.
1. A winner is chosen by random, before the cards are dealt
2. In order for chosen winner to actually win, not only do they have to be in the hand, but they have to be all-in, and get called, or call an all in bet, pre flop.
3. If the randomly chosen winner folds, or is not all in pre, then the hand is played out using the RNG.
I know there are more details to fill in, but this post is already too long.
Now for the final part. I began to compile a focused hand history, every time I was all in pre, or I had called an all-in pre. I have been able to track 2,822 such hands ( I know it's not a very big sample), but a relatively tough thing to do on Global playing MTT's and SNG's. Here's my results:
- I was ahead 1,806/2.822 (66%) ( I'm a bit of a NIT)
-I won 960/1806 of hands, when I was ahead pre flop (54%)
-I won 493/1016 of hands, when I was behind pre flop (48.5%)
- I was dominating (63% of better) 411 times
-I won 227/411 hands in which I was dominating pre flop (56%)
-I was dominated 196 times
-I won 86/196 hands in which I was dominated pre flop (45%)
I have a lot more break downs, but, for now, one last one:
-I had AA or KK all in pre flop 41 times
-I won 25/41 times (61%)
These numbers seem way too close, but I'm certainly not a math wiz. I hated statistics in college.
Let me stress, I understand the bad beat paradigm, where we remember the bad beats much more frequently and profoundly than we remember when we suck out.
One last thing, I have no gripe with Global. I enjoy playing on Global and the couple of times I needed customer service, they were very responsive and helpful. Even if the crazy sweepstakes or modified sweepstakes theory's are correct, it doesn't mean Global is doing anything wrong, and I'm winning anyway, so I'm not going anywhere.
So what do you guys think?

The winner is obviously not chosen preflop or prior to the deal or any other way. That is very simple to prove. Time out on the river if you have the nuts instead of calling any bet, did you get the pot? Of course not. You could disprove such an idea with any pot won via a bluff.

On every network, if every player goes all in preflop, the winner is 'predetermined' in that the cards are already shuffled and will fall in a pre-arranged order. Like every network, human interaction dramatically effects the outcome of the 'predetermined' winner. Another way of putting it is, there is no predetermined winner.

How is an RNG certified as random yet there is a predetermined winner? Unless people think that iTech Labs is in on it, call and ask them the questions, +61 (0)3 9561-9955

It is predetermined in that there is only 52! possible ways the cards can be shuffled and if the 1st, 7th, 14th, and 16th cards are Kings, player one has been 'predetermined' to be the winner. Except, player 1 loses their WiFi connection and is unable to call the min bet on the flop. Then the next 'predetermined' winner with 6s over Kings times out on the turn failing to call the bet, etcetera. That exact scenario is applicable be on every single network.

until hh can be downloaded and analyzed or they release their rng info, its more than fair to say its not legit.

i dont know why anyone would argue otherwise

The RNG certification has been posted many times.

oh ok some company said its fine and good, i guess were done here folks.

True, why give any credit or belief to a company that audits and certifies the RNGs and other validity issues with online gaming companies.

Why would they give any credit for that? The same complaints are made about rooms where they can download their hand histories. A room was created by riggies for riggies (Real Deal Poker) where the players could see with their own eyes the machine that shuffles the cards for the deal. They still thought it was rigged. Some riggies were convinced poker when regulated by the US (instead of on some weird island) would solve the issues. Needless to say many of those think the New Jersey rooms are rigged now.

Remember a little while ago a poster with a lot of posts had some ( I assume super user) concerns? Yeah, I have a hard time remembering that in detail as well at this point, thanks to all the standard riggie complaints that add to the mess.

regarding bs online gaming certifications.. WPN took an interesting line there, ddint even bother to get one of those shiny badges from Malta or wherever, knowing its bs and doesn't get any respect from players. Not sure what they did or didnt do re rng certs but.. Blind trust is out the window for some overseas lab ya ok i trust that when I see garbage all the time that I can't verify or look into myself..

apparently I'm a break even player on this site

beat stars games 100 and 200nl for years (400nl for a while).


Can't beat these games where 80% players are fish. And a lot of my volume is at mere 100nl where I've been attempting to build a roll on this site in these fish infested games (because I dont trust it enough to deposit a roll).




Makes perfect sense. Other midstake regs in this thread posted the same results. Absolutely insane.


http://www.pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/


2.4% chance of a downswing stretch for 8.5bb/100 winner (this is a fair winrate considering the games (before rake) ) over 75k hands. Another reg in this thread claimed I think 80k hands and is breakeven too. yuk.. perhaps I'll try ignition, or pmaster, something not browser based.. I'm not saying the RNG is rigged, but there can realistically be superusers (like there have been on other sites) who multi table that would easily crush any regs winrate. Makes me sick to think of that possibility, and I never made claims like this towards any other site before.

How are you tracking the amount of hands you are playing?

It seems that each table (6max) averages at around ~60 hands per hour. Knowing that, all I have to do is track my hours to get a rough estimate.

Gotcha.

It is fair to say that the RNG isn't legitimate, but it doesn't logically follow from that that the RNG isn't legitimate.

I don't trust any site enough to deposit any of my own money on one. Since you can play with free money on GP, every time you play on GP can basically be a freeroll.

This.

Also, just as a interesting note...

Had a friend that is no longer playing on global. He went ahead and downloaded all of his available hand history (in the neighborhood of 180k hands during the period he was able to recover) ... After viewing those results with him I noticed nothing out of the normal, and if anything, the results were more normal than I expected. Winning player over a variety of stakes and games.

While I don't think I will be risking my account to view my personal results, it's slightly comforting to have raw data confirming things.

I hope you realize that the riggies will be calling you a "Global shill" from now on.

Riggies be damned. I'm well enough known in the twitch poker community and Reddit poker community to be able to support my claims. If even one thinking player is able to see my post and is able to make a more informed decision about their play and this site in general, I'm happy. Every player is allowed their personal opinion, and now I've given mine - backed by DATA and EXPERIENCE.

Interesting to note that Global Poker is the first site that I've had a 15+ buy-in downswing over an extended period of time... I couldn't believe how badly I was running. The site HAD to be rigged. Here I am thousands and thousands of hands and dozens of hours studying later. I've been able to turn a nice winrate on Global, and I accredit most of that to adjusting my strategy based on specific player types that are very common on Global. I have notes on just about EVERY reg and frequently seen fish that I encounter over a variety of stakes, and am able to crush (individually speaking) the games compared to my results at ignition and other sites.


Also, fun little note: played live 2/2 and 3/5 yesterday at the local card room for about a 5 hour session. Managed to get in set over set twice, flopped a straight flush over the A high flush, and my table saw quads 3x within a few orbits. LIVE POKER CONFIRMED RIGGED

you my friend have already admitted to violating TOS, #8 in the part about software or reviewing data. I expect you account to be banned soon and confirmation here form reps after seeing your post and quoting it, I dont care who you say you are you should be banned immediately.

I also took a screenshot of this page and your posts and will email it into security well done bud thanks we appreciate it.

Read my post again. This was not my data nor my download. As I pointed out, I would not break any terms of service at the risk of having my account banned.

I never viewed his history directly, only the overall results.

Thank you for the concern though. If it wasn't clear in my post, I do NOT condone breaking any of Global Poker's terms of service. My buddy fully expects his account to be banned due to him downloading his history. He is no longer playing online poker.