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02-19-2018 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
The fact that your gauging someones credibility on a subject from a forum post count is hilarious and shows u have very little critical thinking in your statements.
It's almost sociopathic to lack the self-awareness to realize how incredibly insane he sounds posting what he does. I didn't even address him. Again, it's the stuff of teenagers so I'm hoping that's the case and he's got a chance to grow into manhod... where we learn that people can have other opinions and it's O.K..
02-19-2018 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Anyone can have an opinion on anything, but how that opinion is treated depends on the person giving it.


Boy, I'm not asking for your permission or approval.

We're not clear on that yet?

You need to see someone. Seriously.
02-19-2018 , 11:01 PM
Your addiction to passive-aggressive posts is meh, whatever, but if you want to form a special bond with the CAPS LOCK rage guy then go for it. He can tell you bad beat stories, and you can talk about teenagers.

That still does not change the fact that you guys are very obviously inexperienced with the current online industry, and will generally be treated as such, except from your new soulmates.

All the best.
02-19-2018 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Your addiction to passive-aggressive posts is meh, whatever, but if you want to form a special bond with the CAPS LOCK rage guy then go for it. He can tell you bad beat stories, and you can talk about teenagers..
Boy, you came after me out of the blue proclaiming yourself to be the king of the forum. (To which no one has confirmed by the way. These people you purport speak for are pretty quiet.)

Then, you fail miserably at painting me as someone without enough experience to have an opinion.

Then when that's proven wrong, you change your story to.... well.... your "industry experience isn't recent enough."

I sat in room for weeks on end with a principle player in the largest scandal in poker history, but web forum boy says I'm not allowed to have a thought on any matters concerning now? Why you ask? Becuase forum boy has posted 1K times and charts this as a life achievement.


Again, you're the one claiming to run this forum... attacking people personally. And now you're bent out of shape becuase people think you sound like an unstable sociopath.

Since you "know how life works"... maybe you forgot the part about other people having opinions. Becuase as you can tell, your hissy fits aren't stopping anyone.

Last edited by SoundPoker; 02-19-2018 at 11:52 PM.
02-20-2018 , 06:47 AM
Congratulations on sitting in a room with someone in 2010 or 2011. We are now in 2018. Industries like this change very quickly, so 7 years of relative inactivity is essentially a lifetime.

You are entitled to whatever opinion you like (and that is not granting permission, rather it is a statement of the human condition mixed with the internet), however your expertise will be a factor in how much weight your opinion has on some issues.

Thus, if in 2018 you appear and talk about how the cards look weird to you, with zero statistical data to back it up, and your main claim of knowledge in the online industry is that you sat in a room with someone 8 years ago or you play live games vs retirees - then the world will not stop in horror and act on your concerns.

This has nothing to do with being King of the Forums or whatever other reactions your wounded ego generates, it is the reality that the current credentials of a person matter when making relatively serious claims/concerns about an industry. This is true in all industries. Again, welcome to life.

All the best.
02-20-2018 , 07:20 AM
No one on the table won with AAxx. It was omaha by the way - but most of the hands were going to show down because the table was crazy.

I had AAxx about 4 times - each one lost a buy one
Other people had AAxx about 8 times and each of them lost a buy in. I've never seen that before.

None the less I lost on the session about 2 buy ins =(

It was only NL100 so no one lost any big money but I coudln't believe what I saw.
02-20-2018 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
WHY ARE COMPETENT POKER PLAYERS ONLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS SITE???
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
The fact that your gauging someones credibility on a subject from a forum post count is hilarious and shows u have very little critical thinking in your statements.
I'm trying to reconcile these two posts. They seem a little contradictory, but I guess that depends on what you meant by the first post.
02-20-2018 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
WHY ARE COMPETENT POKER PLAYERS ONLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS SITE???
Irony
02-20-2018 , 12:03 PM
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02-20-2018 , 12:07 PM
Ignition has bad players, not as bad as global, but its just weird, why arent i seeeing bad beat after bad beat after cooler after cooler, theses players still have high vipips, but i just dont see what i see on global.
02-20-2018 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
Ignition has bad players, not as bad as global, but its just weird, why arent i seeeing bad beat after bad beat after cooler after cooler, theses players still have high vipips, but i just dont see what i see on global.
I don't see on other sites what I see on global, either.....and that is my winrate being absolutely insane. I don't know what you're doing wrong, but please keep playing. Players like you are the reason I play at global.
02-20-2018 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
Ignition has bad players, not as bad as global, but its just weird, why arent i seeeing bad beat after bad beat after cooler after cooler, theses players still have high vipips, but i just dont see what i see on global.
Maybe because a group of slightly bad players will only hit their atrocious suck outs occasionally cause they're just good enough to fold sometimes when they're behind, but a group of REALLY bad players are too bad to fold, ever, and so will suck out waaaaay more often.

IE: It's not necessarily a linear progression like 2 bad players, 20% bad beats, 3 bad players 30% bad beats but maybe 2 bad players 15% bad beats, 3 bad 30%, 4 bad 50%, etc.
02-20-2018 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
Ignition has bad players, not as bad as global, but its just weird, why arent i seeeing bad beat after bad beat after cooler after cooler, theses players still have high vipips, but i just dont see what i see on global.
Ok some unsolicited advice.. stop calling players "bad", especially online players. Just think about that statement for a second. The player pool of online players is a small niche group out of the world of poker enthusiasts. This niche group includes poker pros, people that regularly play poker but aren't pro, and children that are using their parents identity. Out of this group no one is logging on that doesnt have some idea of what they are doing.

Do you follow me? This isn't 2003, poker isn't new, so ignoring collusion, bots, superusing, rng, etc what does that mean? Playing styles have adjusted to account for this, the best players do not make their money from stacking off with solid holdings, they make their money from stealing small pots and making opponents fold. Stop focusing on "making your hand". Most people complaining all the time are complaining because they are seeing bad beats. When most people are playing to make hands then what happens is you make your hand but occasionally so will 1 of your opponents at the table and you are literally just hoping you dont have 2nd nuts.

I hope that makes sense. You want to make money consistently, stop playing poker to make hands. Play poker to make folds and occasionally cooler people along the way.

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02-20-2018 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
I don't see on other sites what I see on global, either.....and that is my winrate being absolutely insane. I don't know what you're doing wrong, but please keep playing. Players like you are the reason I play at global.
Your win rate is absolutely insane, lol your on global, its not that hard
02-20-2018 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DaddyDuck
Ok some unsolicited advice.. stop calling players "bad", especially online players. Just think about that statement for a second. The player pool of online players is a small niche group out of the world of poker enthusiasts. This niche group includes poker pros, people that regularly play poker but aren't pro, and children that are using their parents identity. Out of this group no one is logging on that doesnt have some idea of what they are doing.

Do you follow me? This isn't 2003, poker isn't new, so ignoring collusion, bots, superusing, rng, etc what does that mean? Playing styles have adjusted to account for this, the best players do not make their money from stacking off with solid holdings, they make their money from stealing small pots and making opponents fold. Stop focusing on "making your hand". Most people complaining all the time are complaining because they are seeing bad beats. When most people are playing to make hands then what happens is you make your hand but occasionally so will 1 of your opponents at the table and you are literally just hoping you dont have 2nd nuts.

I hope that makes sense. You want to make money consistently, stop playing poker to make hands. Play poker to make folds and occasionally cooler people along the way.

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I didnt know i was asking advice on how to make money in poker, i made 46k last year from it, i dont need advice on how to make money on a site where players dont fold bottom pair, and then act like im some great player because i can beat complete morons.
02-20-2018 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
I didnt know i was asking advice on how to make money in poker, i made 46k last year from it, i dont need advice on how to make money on a site where players dont fold bottom pair, and then act like im some great player because i can beat complete morons.
46k from global, online, or live? So what are your griping about?

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02-20-2018 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DaddyDuck
46k from global, online, or live? So what are your griping about?

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Exactly. He’s crying quite a bit for someone claiming to be a winning player.


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02-20-2018 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DaddyDuck
46k from global, online, or live? So what are your griping about?

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What am I gripping about? Im gripping about the RNG on global obviously, I dont see how other players on this site arent noticing it, idk if its caused there sponsored on here or what, or its simply they are not having the experience i and others were on here.
02-20-2018 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
What am I gripping about? Im gripping about the RNG on global obviously, I dont see how other players on this site arent noticing it, idk if its caused there sponsored on here or what, or its simply they are not having the experience i and others were on here.
Bro, if you are making money then focus on how you are making money and make more money. Nothing else matters. If you are making money on some other sites other than Global then focus on the other sites. Don't waste your time on stuff that is losing you money.

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02-20-2018 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaddyDuck
46k from global, online, or live? So what are your griping about?

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Im only 21, i just started last year making a living from live, made 34k from 2/5 and around 12k from 1/ 2, and yes, im going to ask questioms about the RNG, asking questions dosent hurt anyone, all it does is help, if me asking questions gets more to the truth than yes, i will continue to do that.
02-20-2018 , 01:25 PM
Unfortunately our friend SitnSpin finally lost his mind about the rng last night, made 1 late crazy ranting post and then asked for a self ban in the "ban me" thread in the ATF subforum here. He is up over $10k so far this year or was last time i checked a couple days ago anyway.His thread was deleted, he said a lot of emotional stuff and called out a buncha players. The only weird thing about his posts I see is how he kept saying how many players were making such frequent ICM mistakes, also having never studied poker himself but just being some kind of savant feel player. His results are undeniable but the expert claims with no study remind me of myself a decade ago when I thought I was running bad and didnt understand variance and ICM. So I used google and that's when I met good ol' Monteroy, Thrash370 among others. I had no idea forums, software, training existed until like 2010.

I have been having a hell of a time with the deck and can relate to a lot of whats said here that Matt said in the post above this one. Ive been running so bad for the last 4/5 days ~350 games (small sample I know) that I had to go get beers to even finish my session last night. I lost 10 bi's n an hr to start, my head was spinning. Wound up ahead 3 bi's but its just painful. I hope it turns soon, according to math and logic it should anytime now. I see the wild beats and runouts all over the place not just hands Im in. Maybe I'm not as good as I think I am but my results should be MUCH better. Im getting sick of 3b jamming my AA level 1 and getting snapped off by 1 player with random ATC and AA maybe winning 20% of the time, its just gross. Same thing with premium hands hu, and dont get me started on the bubbles haha. I am persistent and have no other options so I won't quit but i fear others will. I also seem to remember that every time they make major updates the rng goes off the rails for a few days, maybe coincidence.

edit - I will say that my play last night was less than optimal, like if I had a backer and hh's were available and I sent them I'd have some explaining to do. I was seeing ghosts of bad beats past and punting a bit. After I got a bit of a buzz I started playing right and made 8 bi's in 2hrs and stopped.

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02-20-2018 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
Im only 21, i just started last year making a living from live, made 34k from 2/5 and around 12k from 1/ 2, and yes, im going to ask questioms about the RNG, asking questions dosent hurt anyone, all it does is help, if me asking questions gets more to the truth than yes, i will continue to do that.
The cold hard truth is if you live in the US and have chosen poker to make money and you can play live in a casino then play live in a casino. That is hands down the best pool of players to play against. Don't waste a single minute of your time playing online. Your player pool alone makes it a negative EV situation. Now you doubting the RNG will warp your way of thinking even further. Just commit to live play.

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02-20-2018 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
Unfortunately our friend SitnSpin finally lost his mind about the rng last night, made 1 late crazy ranting post and then asked for a self ban in the "ban me" thread in the ATF subforum here. He is up over $10k so far this year or was last time i checked a couple days ago anyway.His thread was deleted, he said a lot of emotional stuff and called out a buncha players. The only weird thing about his posts I see is how he kept saying how many players were making such frequent ICM mistakes, also having never studied poker himself but just being some kind of savant feel player. His results are undeniable but the expert claims with no study remind me of myself a decade ago when I thought I was running bad and didnt understand variance and ICM. So I used google and that's when I met good ol' Monteroy, Thrash370 among others. I had no idea forums, software, training existed until like 2010.

I have been having a hell of a time with the deck and can relate to a lot of whats said here that Matt said in the post above this one. Ive been running so bad for the last 4/5 days ~350 games (small sample I know) that I had to go get beers to even finish my session last night. I lost 10 bi's n an hr to start, my head was spinning. Wound up ahead 3 bi's but its just painful. I hope it turns soon, according to math and logic it should anytime now. I see the wild beats and runouts all over the place not just hands Im in. Maybe I'm not as good as I think I am but my results should be MUCH better. Im getting sick of 3b jamming my AA level 1 and getting snapped off by 1 player with random ATC and AA maybe winning 20% of the time, its just gross. Same thing with premium hands hu, and dont get me started on the bubbles haha. I am persistent and have no other options so I won't quit but i fear others will. I also seem to remember that every time they make major updates the rng goes off the rails for a few days, maybe coincidence.

edit - I will say that my play last night was less than optimal, like if I had a backer and hh's were available and I sent them I'd have some explaining to do. I was seeing ghosts of bad beats past and punting a bit. After I got a bit of a buzz I started playing right and made 8 bi's in 2hrs and stopped.
I hear ya, its definately possibly variance, like I said, its possible im wrong about the RNG, but I think its a fair question.

Anyways, the same night where i had over 10 bad beats in over 4 hours of play, the final one that broke the straw and made me sick to my stomach was this hand.

I have AJs diamonds, raise 3x pre flop, oppenent calls with 10 7o, flop comes Jc/10d/4d, flop top pair with nut flush draw, oppenent shoves low chip stack i call, oppenent shows bottom pair, turn is a 7d, i hit the nut flush oppenent hits two pair, river is a 10, i was so SICK TO MY STOMACH, by the way, this one just one of them after all of the rest of the bad beats i was experiencing, at this point i tilted the 30$ left in my account
02-20-2018 , 01:53 PM
Dude claims to make 46K live, yet rages after losing a $10 deposit on Global, and then wonders why he is not taken seriously with his whiny, unproven concerns. Quite the champion of critical thought as he provides yet another "gripping" bad beat whine.

All the best.
02-20-2018 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Dude claims to make 46K live and rages after some likely standard bad beats following a $10 deposit on Global, and then wonders why he is not taken seriously with his whiny, unproven concerns. Quite the champion of critical thought, and very "gripping."

All the best.
I missed that part whoops.

      
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