so, global poker says on its site that its operated by "VGW Holdings Limited", but when i look at the rng certificate it says "Operator: VGW RMG Malta Ltd" so can someone clarify this for me?

Further more on the cert it says "* The RNG was tested according to Malta LGA Remote Gaming Regulations".

when looking up the address for the vgw malta ltd, its located across from malta gaming authority in the same city, which is obviously a completely diff address for vgw holdings, which is in australia? so can someone clarify all of this.

how do we know the certificate that was issued was for this rng?

are there any other well known online poker operators that have used itechlabs to verify their rngs under the same malta lga remote gaming regulations?

also what is the Malta LGA Remote Gaming Regulations compared to say the standard regulations that stars operates under?

Ding Ding Ding!

Its a ways back now, but these are the kind of questions I am pointing at in an earlier post of mine in this very thread. And happily I think this thread is coming to this realization. The question is only this:

Do you trust Global?

Yes - Play on
No - See ya

Because everything can be faked, and so many things can actually be taken place, and there really could be a man behind the curtain. And on and on down the rabbit hole we could go. When the only question you really have to answer is the above one.

ya that doesnt really help in anyway splaya :[

+1

If you think that there is a reasonable chance that Global is rigged in any way, DON'T PLAY HERE! If you're not having fun here, PLAY SOMEWHERE ELSE!

(Sorry about the CAPS)

So as it turns out it wasn't that I couldn't ask a rep for help, it's that it did not matter because my private message wasn't worth a response. I have messaged the rep via this site and have sent several to Global Poker directly. All have not garnered a single response and they were done delicately, sincerely, and with respect. $87 likely doesn't mean a lot to anybody involved, or anybody giving advice including yourself. It isn't the end of the world to lose $87 to me either, but it is still money that I earned by making an initial cash investment that I also earned prior to Global Poker. As you and others would make a mockery of a person wanting to seek extremes to solve an injustice, it turns out that it is the only way a person has even the slightest chance of recovering their stolen money.

This site shows me many things, yet none with no real certainty that Global Poker isn't rigged. Lots of questions; not many answers. It all boils down to whether or not the risk is worth the reward. It seems for some people it is, and for others it's just a way of experiencing the worst that "poker" has to offer. I think that there can be no dispute that at some point everybody had some level of fun there. It simply is the most raw form of gambling; grab a deck and play "high card/low card" and you have the same odds as Global Poker which is always the odds you have regardless, because you are always either going to win a hand or lose a hand. 50/50. There will always be theories based on personal experience. "Cashout" penalties. Improbable ice cold runs for hundreds of hands in a row (even if you catch AA you still get beat on the flop or river). Large bankroll players catching more winning hands. Things of that nature. They will simply remain theories, but I would be confident in betting that the number of people with a bad Global experience outnumbers those who are having success; they simply aren't aware of this site to express their displeasure on lol. Anyway, thank you for the effort in regards to advice even if it was fruitless.

I got beat for a huge pot the other day. I'm almost sure it's a conspiracy. I'm going to hire some aliens to figure it out for me.



I get the feeling that their RNG is fine and that you, like many other people, have a tendency to blame the deck when it runs cold. In this case, the deck happens to be a random number generator.

I'm surprised they didn't respond yet. There are several that pop into the forum now and then. Maybe click on the person you Pm'd and go to their posts. If they haven't been on since you sent it, not so bad. If they have, that would suck. I think they at least owe a response, even if it was a 'no can help' reply.

Boy quadzilla really cracked those quads! I think global is kind of rigged but its still profitable because a lot of bad players there. And it might eventually become full of regs, but some wont like all the quads and royals that are not in line with typical RNG so might leave. I like Global Poker though, its the SHIZNIT!

Bovado also full of quads, I quit them, ACR is full of decent players, online is tough place these days

Yeah dude. Great input. Coolers are to be expected. Nobody can run hot all the time. When I first started Global I did okay. I more than quadrupled my investment to over $250. Not a lot of money, but I was winning. Fast forward to requesting a cashout of $200. While the cashout was pending I played with the other $50+ and took it up to just over $100 in a day or two. After my cashout was complete I couldn't win a hand to save my life. I don't play any bottom half hands. They have to be connectors, or Q8 or better (typically only when suited). I do tend to overvalue pocket pairs for sure though so that caused some issues. Anyway, it was a massive cooler. I would play for hours without flopping any more than 5-10 hands (aside from BB checks) per hour at most because you simply cannot play 9-3 off suit. I would win less than 10% of those hands. It went that way until I lost all my bankroll, and then I proceeded to invest every penny of the $200 cashout over the course of the next 4-6 weeks and lose it all. I didn't make any negative changes to my play; I simply couldn't win a hand. An example of one that comes to the top of my head.... I had QQ from the second seat (6 player table .05/.1 stakes). I raised .35 and SB raised to .70 while everybody else had folded. I made the call. I'm thinking Ace-something.... maybe KK... maybe AA... maybe another pair... could be suited connectors... IDK. Flop comes 10, 10, 3. I check, they check. Q on the turn. I have a FH, and maybe they do too. I raise half pot, they call. The river comes 10. I raise full pot, they call, cards show... that person played 10-3 off suit. Hit quads. I expected to see J-10 or 9-10 or KK, AA, 33, IDK.. something better than 10-3 off on a .70 open 3 bet. Another time I had AA to a preflop shove for over $4 so I have to call. The person had 10-7 off suit. The flop was 6, 8, A. The turn was the 4 of diamonds (how many outs do they have now?). Can you guess the river? 9. Just a couple of hundreds of examples you'd see if I could show you the entire hand history of thousands of hands post "cashout". The majority of hands I lost turned out to be preflop heads up dominant cards. They either took the loss on nuts flop or got sucked out on the river when leading 85% or better until that last card. You can call that RNG if you'd like. As I stated we all have "theories". I think another person referenced it earlier or maybe I read it on another site but you can't limp with a monster pocket pair and feel safe. You can't bet it high because you only win a 19 cent hand if everybody folds (on a .05/.10). If you standard raise you get 2 or more callers most time who typically play just horrible hands and catch the cards to beat you. I say that only in regards to cashing out per my experience because prior to that those hands would hold or get stronger. Now I lost my money and decided to step away from the site. I requested my account be terminated for that reason and that my account was compromised. The site obliged generously. That was the end of that story. Several days later I rejoined the site under a more secure account. Guess what happened? No major change in play. I quadrupled my investment. You may likely have a wonderful explanation for that, but a spade is a spade. I do know that if I hadn't run into an issue with the site support that I wouldn't have ever cashed out again for an amount more than what remained in my bankroll. Say I made $250, I would have only cashed out $100. I truly believe the cards, that you call RNG, were not random at all but predetermined based on several things. I also truly believe that if you recognize the trends that you can use it to your advantage and make a lot of money on that site. As I said before.... "theories". Let me know how the aliens work for you because it looks like I need alien help too.

one big rambling run on sentence. Anyway they should ban you for multi accounting.

Supposing you spent your time reading before commenting on something that was already stated? It was their reason for the banning; however, it is impossible to multi-account if they terminated an account upon request. To say otherwise is foolish based on the definition of termination. If their Terms of Service specifically states that they hold no liability for compromised accounts, then they must allow a person to willingly terminate and subsequently open a secure account. Also as stated prior one could play semantics all day long about the subject. I would agree that a person involuntarily banned caught with another account should face punishment. I would agree that a person with multiple "active" accounts should face punishment. I don't agree that an account closed willingly based on the participation of both the player and the establishment should have any recourse if another account is open. Banks don't do it; some other gaming sites don't do it (like yahoo); I'd be hard pressed to think of any business that does. Great feedback though.

If you post a huge block of text laced with whiny beat stories the odds are that most people will not bother reading it, so if you have an actual point to make (other than whining about bad beats or quadrigs or whatever) then try to do it in a concise, clear manner.

If you disagree with this then you might enjoy the following post. Be sure to take the time to read it...



All the best.

Ok ill bite. How was your account compromised that you had to close it?

Thank you man. I enjoyed reading that. Makes sense to me. Why would it not? I believe the RNG is rigged exactly the way he suggests it is. If you lose hands on a consistent basis to horrible hole cards sucking out or catching a massive flop when you're a preflop favorite say 60/40 or better and/or perhaps many times have a huge lead of 80/20 or better after the turn, you really have no other valid explanation for those results. Not on the level that would even rank near normal variance. Especially not when you're a nit by nature and typically only play top half strategy hands. Clearly some people on this site never experience this phenomenon. My guess would be because you don't play small stakes consistently enough since a proper assumption would be that weak handed players don't just try to piss the kind of money away it would take to just make a simple call at larger stakes tables. It also explains why those same players getting away with that type of play in cash games don't get away with it in tournament play per my experience. No rake for the site that way. Here's the best part of it all. People like me will agree that if done right through proper adjustment you can still make money, but it takes awhile to catch on and by then you could be out a few dollars more than you wanted to be. On the contrary people like you will scoff at the idea that any part of it is rigged because it hasn't affected you in an negative manner. So the debate will always continue. I don't hate you. Aside from my initial anger when I got to this site I also don't mock people for having their point of view. If anything I have shown interest in learning more. But hey... let everybody have their voice. I don't mind being called names or being dismissed via the internet. Isn't that what it's for?

The answer to this question has also been provided in an earlier post but I'll expand on it just for you. My brother/roommate uses the same PC that I use. My girlfriend also uses the same PC that I use for gaming. I saved my login information for Global Poker through Mozilla. He would simply click Global Poker in the favorites and it would automatically fill in the username and password and he would play on my account. I mostly didn't care at first because he wasn't losing money. He wasn't really winning anything either as he would mostly play SNG. After some time though he began playing more cash games and it would screw up my hand history ( important to me since I would also keep track of certain players on an excel spreadsheet and keep notes on them since you tend to play against the same guys at certain times of the day and I wanted to stay away from slow poke multi-table players as well as guys that I would frequently watch at higher stakes tables that I knew had bigger bankrolls and would come down to the small stakes especially on Mondays and Tuesdays and rarely lose a hand playing rather tight with dominant hole cards). So it was the combination of beats I was taking and that he had access to my account that I sought to have it terminated. I created multi-users on the PC with separate logins, I changed my screen name and password on Global Poker, and I logged in manually each time I entered the site from that point forward. He's my baby brother. I am 20 years older than he is. He operates at a different level of responsibility than I do so it made the best sense for me to eliminate him from the Global Poker equation. Therefore I only had one account. I had no other account I could log into. No other account I could play on. I virtually used the same email address and I also linked it to the same PayPal. I wasn't trying to hide anything. I wasn't trying to deceive the site. That is why it's semantics if somebody wants to suggest I had multiple accounts. Sorry for the book. Clemson is beating up Louisville at the moment so it's not much of a game to watch right now.

I knew it would be, and you would find a kindred spirit with that person and his manifesto, even though I have yet to read his or pretty much any of yours ( I did not read past the part I quoted in your recent post for instance). I know that your needs are very simple, and I am always happy to help those in need such as yourself, without the burden of rational or logical discussion/questions that would not be what you really want to talk about or believe.

All the best.

People read an absurd amount of text on the Internet. The least you could do is format it and be brief. I get why you'd be upset about them saying you multi-accounted if you had them close your initial account, but like I said if you're not going to be brief so we can help you then you may as well just forget about it.

I did not read this reply. You have to meet us halfway.

ok makes sense as long as you requested them to close your account and create another that you didn't have to share isp on. If you believe the rng to be rigged why do you continue to play on this site?

They often say/believe that they can win despite of the rig or that they are using the rig, though of course if it were ever rigged in the ways they believe they could quietly exploit it like a variant of a super user instead of whining about it.

Standard mixture of paranoia/delusions of grandeur (they put themselves as the main character of the poker universe that requires a rig to target them) and degen tendencies. Not too much more complex than that for people like this, which is why he genuinely enjoyed that silly manifesto I copied for him, because whatever it said it validated his beliefs in his mind..

I'd like to agree with Monteroy because the dude thinks he knows everything, but I'll gladly boast how mostly wrong he is with his generic psychoanalysis. I continued to play because I hate losing. Ultra competitive by nature. A high level athlete my entire life hit by chronic compounded physical illness due to Lyme Disease. These types of challenges are all I have left and most likely why I become horribly angry and irrational when I get beat by what I deem unfair circumstance. Typically when you lose to cheaters in any other forum in life you can punch that person in the mouth and rectify the cheat.

Now I'll give Monteroy the hand job he desires. He is right in regards to thinking I can beat the cheat. I didn't just play the site, I watched dozens of hours of play on high stakes (mostly) and small stakes cash tables. If you see trends you can adjust right? He doesn't read and that's okay, but if you believe me trustworthy than this is truth. Say I believe the RNG is rigged okay? I began play and more than quadrupled my investment. I cashed out 80% of my bankroll and hit a massive cooler and lost the hands my hole cards required me to play based on odds, and not subtly either. I was either smashed on the flop or sucked out by hands that were less than 15% after the turn. That's my story; that's my experience. Then I had the account terminated. I later decided to play again because I needed to win. New account; quadrupled investment. Cards were running the same way as when I first started playing the site against mostly the same players. Why? Dumb luck right? Nah. Ask yourself this question. Why would a site have to keep track of a players IP Address? I'll leave it there and say yeah I have questions about the legitimacy of the RNG, but also think the site shows you obvious loopholes to overcome it if you just pay close enough attention.

I will pass on your strangely offered hand job, but I will say that your post pretty much confirmed my analysis of you (which was done with hardly reading most of your other spewposts).

Your elite athlete/need to win compulsion is a form of being a degen, because you lack the ability to accept the game as it is, and you "have" to beat it to get that fix you require.

If you were indeed elite at something then you likely came across people who were ok, but not particularly good at something, yet when they talked about it they believed they knew a lot more about that activity than they really did. That is how you come across. They way you describe how you play feels like a blast from the past (maybe 2006ish era) for "better" players, and if you saw the tools and approaches some of the best used today (granted not all are allowed on Global) then you would probably be surprised, and perhaps it would open your eyes, though odds are it would not.

Poker is one of those rare activities where anyone can win on a given day, and many greatly overestimate their relative skill. It is not chess where a much more skilled player wins every game, and because of that you will see a lot of people (particularly those obsessed with winning) create quite intricate worlds in their minds and create patterns they see in the cards to help validate what they believe to be their proper position in this industry, when their actual results fail to accomplish that. Your extreme obsession to compete/win likely compounds that issue for you, even if you do not agree with this or accept this reality.

In the end how you play is totally your choice. I doubt you will have the discipline to properly learn and improve in this industry, because that actually takes longer and is not as easy as many suspect. I would suggest you only play with what you can comfortably afford to lose, and if creating rigs and yelling at the clouds gives you some satisfaction and emotional comfort, then have that as part of your game, even if in terms of money it is certainly -EV.

All the best.

People are so delusional. Much like car crash, I can't seem to look away!

Labels? Great stuff. I guess we'll completely disregard what the real definition of a "degen" is just so it fits your narrative. It's okay. I doubt you have the discipline to properly learn how it's supposed to be used. A "fix"? I don't need to win; I want to win. Huge difference. Along those same lines defeat is always acceptable if you lose fair and square. Sometimes losing to a cheater is even okay if you were also presented with an equal opportunity to cheat, yet chose not to use it. Fairness... equality... the antithesis of a "degen" bud.

Do you play live poker? I guarantee it is not anywhere near what Global "poker" represents. I'm sure you'll boast about how you have played online for the last 50 years and have experienced the "exact" similar issues that several people are complaining about in regards to Global happening at the same rate. That too would be untrue. It's okay bud. I'm as dismissive of you as you are towards those who have theories towards a rig.

I'll have to take my shot at you now because this is where your ignorance shines through. You said "Poker is one of those rare activities where anyone can win on a given day........It is not chess where a much more skilled player wins every game". Wrong. It's not rare by any means. Any form of competition can be won by any player/team on any given day despite skill level including Chess. That being said, with Poker, Chess, MMA, Volleyball, etc. the better player/team usually wins the "game" (meaning a couple of hands don't count as a game). Such a poor analogy in efforts to once again support your narrative.

If I didn't want to learn the game I wouldn't play the game. The obsession to win that you degrade as "degen" behavior is quite the opposite; it is motivation. If I didn't want to understand the variance of small stakes online poker I wouldn't study other players, watch youtube videos posted by pros, or read books. I'll be a 2006ish player now because I am likely that far behind and that's okay. It doesn't mean I am incapable of recognizing patterns that are out of ordinary. It doesn't mean I am incapable of playing disciplined poker. It doesn't mean a lot of things. It does mean that I'm not a 1994ish poker player, whether that's a good or bad thing and I will continue to try to learn. End of story.

I'll take your final comment as an indication that you feel comfortable losing any amount of money; I do not. I believe you would feel that way because you have experienced a site like Global Poker coming full circle in regards to your own personal bankroll. You would assess it as normal play. I would assess it as paying back their employees. Any site would be foolish to let somebody drip away dollars upon dollars without eventually rewarding them, and that my friend is a "rig". Players who keep the rake coming in get paid off and I don't care how much you want to deny it. It is true, and the only way it can happen is if the RNG isn't exactly 100% random.

All the best

Hi theriddick,

I just sent you a message. Apologies for not responding for one day. It was the weekend over here.

I tried my best to summarise what you are asking for. Please let me know if I have it correct and we will see what we can do.