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11-16-2022 , 07:17 PM
I've played with OldSerpent live and online for years and have found him to be one of the more trustworthy players I've come across.

If anything, he's a stickler for the rules so don't think he'd even do anything that's borderline (e.g. having Pio open and running hands immediately after playing them, looking at preflop charts etc).
11-16-2022 , 10:44 PM
I’ve lodged a formal complaint with Malta Gaming Authority. Will update if/when I hear anything.
11-17-2022 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 2ManyMulesInDaPool
I've played with OldSerpent live and online for years and have found him to be one of the more trustworthy players I've come across.

If anything, he's a stickler for the rules so don't think he'd even do anything that's borderline (e.g. having Pio open and running hands immediately after playing them, looking at preflop charts etc).
didn't post for 3yrs and this is the post you come back for? you must really love oldserpent!
11-18-2022 , 12:01 AM
I don't know OldSerpent at all and don't recall playing more than a handful if any hands against him but a couple things are weird.

If he's a gross nit bumhunter as guys are saying then clearly he's not using any kind of GTO/RTA.

It's possible he's seat scripting but given the paranoia on here you guys would have spotted that too, right?

It's ALSO a bit unusual that Global didn't even give him the chance to record his play to make sure he truly was a GTO botlord if that was the concern.

Lots of folks dancing on his grave without offering much to back it up, seems weird.

I know Global lacks transparency on these issues from time to time but I also know their support team is staffed with intelligent folks who know poker well, so what do I know.
11-18-2022 , 02:40 AM
Hope all that feel a site taking your money because they decide they want to and claim they have evidence they need not show you is OK are still OK when it is their money the site steals.
12-04-2022 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSerpent
I’ve lodged a formal complaint with Malta Gaming Authority. Will update if/when I hear anything.
Any update buddy!?
12-05-2022 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kanadian
Any update buddy!?

No response
12-05-2022 , 05:19 PM
"...we are unable to disclose the information and the specific data that led to our decision."

This is awful, sorry op. Maybe if you could reach an exec at GP, or tell this story on a larger platform like poker reddit/twitter that might create accountability. I do not see an accusation/banning as proof that you're guilty
12-05-2022 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by +EVillain
"...we are unable to disclose the information and the specific data that led to our decision."

This is awful, sorry op. Maybe if you could reach an exec at GP, or tell this story on a larger platform like poker reddit/twitter that might create accountability. I do not see an accusation/banning as proof that you're guilty

I tried to message David Lyons in the general channel of the Global Discord. I added him as a friend on discord as well, ghosted.
12-07-2022 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by +EVillain
"...we are unable to disclose the information and the specific data that led to our decision."

This is awful, sorry op. Maybe if you could reach an exec at GP, or tell this story on a larger platform like poker reddit/twitter that might create accountability. I do not see an accusation/banning as proof that you're guilty
They don't tell you what you did "wrong" because that would educate you how to not get caught. This is industry standard. They are within the terms of service to ban/confiscate at their discretion. You would need to spend a lot in legal fees to get the data via pretrial discovery (if that is even a thing in Malta) or by arbitration. They are not required to offer any proof whatsoever.
12-07-2022 , 08:06 PM
Going to look like im sucking off oldserpent and I guess that I am, but the distrust against him here is wild to see.

I believe its 0% chance theoldserpent is guilty of anything here that warrants a ban. For the 5 years iv been playing with oldserpent online across several online poker sites and live poker, he plays a very exploitable strategy that is poorly constructed, and very tight. No chance he is using RTA in my opinion. I'v also never seen anything that looked like collusion. oldserpent has tons of credibility on his 18th year as professional poker player and lot of respect in the highstakes american poker community. Similar to guys like ike haxton,sauce,phil galfond etc. theoldserpent is just less well known and has been flying under the radar this whole time.

So what happened here that triggered a false positive is the question? Could be that someone doctored evidence against him. But more likely something if off with global pokers cheating detection. PIO or monkersolver being installed on serpents computer but not open while playing could've triggered it. Or playing multiple sites at the same time and using PT4/HEM3 on other sites while playing global poker without tracking anything on global poker could be it. Any winning poker player on this site should be worried and very careful about whats installed on there computer and best to not track other sites like ignition/acr/NJ sites while playing global poker imo
12-07-2022 , 09:07 PM
My account sat dormant with $0 balance for close to a year. When I resumed play in summer of 2022 I played ~40 sessions, didn’t play for weeks then played two sessions and was banned. The only thing different about those two sessions than the ones prior was I played on clubgg(agent based, play $ version of ggpoker).

The sites I played in 2022 do not allow HUD so didn’t track any hands. This comp has no solvers installed on it.

All my other poker accounts are still in good standing including the industry leaders(stars, Party, 888). I played on them alongside global for years, played millions of hands, have relationships with them spanning nearly two decades.

This thread has been open for a month and not a single person has come forward saying anything suspicious about my play/account.

Global being fed false info or some sort of ineptitude within their security department is the only conclusion I can come to.

Last edited by OldSerpent; 12-07-2022 at 09:13 PM.
12-07-2022 , 11:19 PM
I personally don't think you're cheating, but I will say one REALLY weird thing I saw before you were banned.

One table you were playing you kept showing your hands on the river every river showdown, then didn't know you were showing them and asked how to turn it off? Which is very strange since you've been playing the site for years now. Could you have potentially been sharing your account? That's my only thought..
12-07-2022 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeNotesPlease
I personally don't think you're cheating, but I will say one REALLY weird thing I saw before you were banned.

One table you were playing you kept showing your hands on the river every river showdown, then didn't know you were showing them and asked how to turn it off? Which is very strange since you've been playing the site for years now. Could you have potentially been sharing your account? That's my only thought..

I have no way to prove you wrong but I don’t recollect this. I’m assuming you’re mistaking me for someone else or trolling.

I was not sharing my account with someone else.

Last edited by OldSerpent; 12-08-2022 at 12:04 AM.
12-08-2022 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JeremiahW
I'v also never seen anything that looked like collusion. oldserpent has tons of credibility on his 18th year as professional poker player and lot of respect in the highstakes american poker community. Similar to guys like ike haxton,sauce,phil galfond etc. theoldserpent is just less well known and has been flying under the radar this whole time.

lol this gotta be the cringiest thing ive ever read. Sounds like when someone writes their own bio in the third person.

If Global was banning so many people with "false positives" there'd be way more stories like this. There isn't. Why are they going to ban a high stakes cash game rake generator unless they are 100% sure of something? Global has not shown to do shady stuff like this like some other sites might do just to steal 15k from someone which is pennies to them. All their actions show they care most about the long term health of the site and arent going to just ban a huge rake generator for no reason. Literally nothing about this situation or oldserpents actions in this thread point to them being totally innocent imo. Just my humble gut opinion though.
12-08-2022 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JeremiahW
Going to look like im sucking off oldserpent and I guess that I am, but the distrust against him here is wild to see.

I believe its 0% chance theoldserpent is guilty of anything here that warrants a ban. For the 5 years iv been playing with oldserpent online across several online poker sites and live poker, he plays a very exploitable strategy that is poorly constructed, and very tight. No chance he is using RTA in my opinion. I'v also never seen anything that looked like collusion. oldserpent has tons of credibility on his 18th year as professional poker player and lot of respect in the highstakes american poker community. Similar to guys like ike haxton,sauce,phil galfond etc. theoldserpent is just less well known and has been flying under the radar this whole time.

So what happened here that triggered a false positive is the question? Could be that someone doctored evidence against him. But more likely something if off with global pokers cheating detection. PIO or monkersolver being installed on serpents computer but not open while playing could've triggered it. Or playing multiple sites at the same time and using PT4/HEM3 on other sites while playing global poker without tracking anything on global poker could be it. Any winning poker player on this site should be worried and very careful about whats installed on there computer and best to not track other sites like ignition/acr/NJ sites while playing global poker imo

I wasn’t even going to reply to this but it is extremely rich and infuriating to see a well known cheat who has flown under the rug far too long come to the defence of someone else. This is a guy who’s already been temporarily banned on global before. They don’t ban the innocent.

Just gonna list the cliff notes and let people make their own judgements on things publically known about Jeremiah Williams (JeremiahW)

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2021/...nt-5-39440.htm

1. Best friends with Zhuang Ruan (JohnSquid) known multi account, RTA, plo stable expert (who was banned from global)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-ruan-1805367/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...69/index3.html


2. Was actually flagged by Global for colluding with JohnSquid (Zhuang Ruan)
I hope you don’t delete this thread below.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...44/?highlight=

3. Received a 30 day ban for downloading hand histories from global over 2 years ago using the global history hand downloader. How convenient when you were only playing one person (MountainDew) heads up and got to learn his exact tendencies while he played you in the dark at 10/20 heads up. (Very clever)

That is just the stuff that’s publicly known. Frankly I don’t know if the OldSerpent did or didn’t do anything. No need to speculate on that but plenty of arguments either way. But when Jeremiah Williams aka JeremiahW is the one coming to your defence it’s not a great sign.
12-08-2022 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TheActualTruth
I wasn’t even going to reply to this but it is extremely rich and infuriating to see a well known cheat who has flown under the rug far too long come to the defence of someone else. This is a guy who’s already been temporarily banned on global before. They don’t ban the innocent.

Just gonna list the cliff notes and let people make their own judgements on things publically known about Jeremiah Williams (JeremiahW)

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2021/...nt-5-39440.htm

1. Best friends with Zhuang Ruan (JohnSquid) known multi account, RTA, plo stable expert (who was banned from global)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-ruan-1805367/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...69/index3.html


2. Was actually flagged by Global for colluding with JohnSquid (Zhuang Ruan)
I hope you don’t delete this thread below.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...44/?highlight=

3. Received a 30 day ban for downloading hand histories from global over 2 years ago using the global history hand downloader. How convenient when you were only playing one person (MountainDew) heads up and got to learn his exact tendencies while he played you in the dark at 10/20 heads up. (Very clever)

That is just the stuff that’s publicly known. Frankly I don’t know if the OldSerpent did or didn’t do anything. No need to speculate on that but plenty of arguments either way. But when Jeremiah Williams aka JeremiahW is the one coming to your defence it’s not a great sign.

It was 4 years ago that the regs got temp banned for downloading HH, Dec 2018 iirc. I will make a long post at some point detailing all the screen names of people I assisted global in banning(it is a long list). I have alot of experience dealing with global security over the years and ime they are completely reactive.
12-08-2022 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Murdoc
lol this gotta be the cringiest thing ive ever read. Sounds like when someone writes their own bio in the third person.

If Global was banning so many people with "false positives" there'd be way more stories like this. There isn't. Why are they going to ban a high stakes cash game rake generator unless they are 100% sure of something? Global has not shown to do shady stuff like this like some other sites might do just to steal 15k from someone which is pennies to them. All their actions show they care most about the long term health of the site and arent going to just ban a huge rake generator for no reason. Literally nothing about this situation or oldserpents actions in this thread point to them being totally innocent imo. Just my humble gut opinion though.

I may have been a rake generator at one point but like I said in the last year prior to being banned I played roughly 40 sessions in total.
12-08-2022 , 11:28 AM
Best thing you can do if you aren't getting a response here or through the ticket and you have not already received an explanation you just are not satisfied with is to join the discord and DM a mod to look at it for you. Gl Op
12-08-2022 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TheActualTruth
They don’t ban the innocent.
They banned me for a day, unblocked me and then 3 hours after the unblock emailed again stating I was still breaching the T&C.... After speaking with someone else I was specifically told it was a complete error... Mistakes can happen. I know people say that staff is from stars etc and set the standard but sometimes their writing is very tough to comprehend... And a ticket is worked on by multiple people making the whole process much more irritating. Also, a lot of people just don't care to work or give any effort. You must see that every day almost every where as I do.
12-08-2022 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSerpent
I have no way to prove you wrong but I don’t recollect this. I’m assuming you’re mistaking me for someone else or trolling.

I was not sharing my account with someone else.
nah I wasn't trolling I have no reason to troll you, I haven't played w you probably for a year+ but I never thought you were cheating.

We haven't played recently when you got banned though so my opinion is pretty useless here.
12-08-2022 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeNotesPlease
nah I wasn't trolling I have no reason to troll you, I haven't played w you probably for a year+ but I never thought you were cheating.

We haven't played recently when you got banned though so my opinion is pretty useless here.

If you’re Trichoblast we def played hands together this year Aug-Nov.
12-08-2022 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSerpent
If you’re Trichoblast we def played hands together this year Aug-Nov.
Yeah barely compared to before your break though, ever since you came back from your long break we've barely played/not played enough for me to comment on this situation. & if it wasn't you that was showing your hands at showdown without claiming to know then I have nothing to comment on the situation, although for that to be the case my memory must be quite bad.

That being said - I feel very confident from your sample YEARS ago that nothing was questionable about your gameplay. Global is never going to release why they banned you though and that does make sense from their perspective. If they don't refund you your balance OR refund it to players that you've played with, then that does come off as shady though.
12-08-2022 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeNotesPlease
Yeah barely compared to before your break though, ever since you came back from your long break we've barely played/not played enough for me to comment on this situation. & if it wasn't you that was showing your hands at showdown without claiming to know then I have nothing to comment on the situation, although for that to be the case my memory must be quite bad.

That being said - I feel very confident from your sample YEARS ago that nothing was questionable about your gameplay. Global is never going to release why they banned you though and that does make sense from their perspective. If they don't refund you your balance OR refund it to players that you've played with, then that does come off as shady though.

I understand. If the showing hands at showdown thing is something from years ago it’s entirely possible it was me and I’ve forgotten. I always turn that feature off on every site I play so not sure why that would happen. Could’ve just been some random software bug, an update toggled the feature back on, or I inadvertently turned it on trying to change other settings.

Last edited by OldSerpent; 12-08-2022 at 06:11 PM.
12-08-2022 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSerpent
My account sat dormant with $0 balance for close to a year. When I resumed play in summer of 2022 I played ~40 sessions, didn’t play for weeks then played two sessions and was banned. The only thing different about those two sessions than the ones prior was I played on clubgg(agent based, play $ version of ggpoker).
There's the answer.

      
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