A strange question of values.
11-25-2015
, 03:21 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25,682
Quote:
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Quote:
In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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What are the chances such card is the As?
11-25-2015
, 03:22 PM
11-25-2015
, 03:24 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25,682
Quote:
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Quote:
In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
What are the chances such card is the Ah?
11-25-2015
, 03:25 PM
11-25-2015
, 03:27 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25,682
Quote:
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Quote:
In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
Gotcha. So I think I follow. And now I know the chances of such card being an A of any of the possible suits individually.
But what are the chances of such card being an A of any suit?
11-25-2015
, 03:28 PM
1/52 If I understood your question correctly. Your asking the same Ah or As or Ad or Ac
11-25-2015
, 03:31 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25,682
Quote:
[redacted text]
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Quote:
In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
11-25-2015
, 03:36 PM
Quote:
Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
11-25-2015
, 03:41 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25,682
Quote:
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Quote:
In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
Quote:
Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
Quote:
No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
11-25-2015
, 03:44 PM
11-25-2015
, 03:45 PM
Quote:
No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
11-25-2015
, 03:48 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25,682
Quote:
[redacted text]
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
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In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
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No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
11-25-2015
, 03:48 PM
11-25-2015
, 03:49 PM
Quote:
No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
Yes that is all true.
Last edited by pkdk; 11-25-2015 at 03:58 PM.
11-25-2015
, 03:58 PM
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
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In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
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Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
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No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
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Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
I see, I see. I'm afraid I am just not understanding. This must be the part (or at least one part) where I get messed up.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
11-25-2015
, 04:08 PM
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I see, I see. I'm afraid I am just not understanding. This must be the part (or at least one part) where I get messed up.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
Your initial random draw from 52 decks is what you are forgetting.
deck 1, you draw a card, put it on your side, it has a 1/52 chance of being the Ah.
deck 2, you draw a card, put it on your side, it has a 1/52 chance of being the Ah.
deck 3, you draw a card, put it on your side, it has a 1/52 chance of being the Ah.
and so on for 52 times .
Then just simply consider the reverse, pick a card from the counter, it still has a 1/51 chance of being the Ah, or any other value, reveal the card to see Ah, draw a second card, that card also has a 1/52 chance of being the Ah.
''I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time ''
They are from different decks
Does this help you understand?
11-25-2015
, 04:18 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
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In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
[redacted text]
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Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
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No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
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Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
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I see, I see. I'm afraid I am just not understanding. This must be the part (or at least one part) where I get messed up.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
11-25-2015
, 04:20 PM
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Unfortunately no because it isn't what I asked about.
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the following cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them): 2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah?
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the following cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them): 2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah?
11-25-2015
, 04:23 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25,682
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
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In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
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No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
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Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
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I see, I see. I'm afraid I am just not understanding. This must be the part (or at least one part) where I get messed up.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
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Unfortunately no because it isn't what I asked about.
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
Do there exist any cards other than the below listed cards in a standard fifty-two card playing card deck?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
11-25-2015
, 04:24 PM
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Do there exist any cards other than the below listed cards in a standard fifty-two card playing card deck?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
No, that looks like a full set to me.
11-25-2015
, 04:25 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25,682
Quote:
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
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In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
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No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
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Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
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I see, I see. I'm afraid I am just not understanding. This must be the part (or at least one part) where I get messed up.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
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Unfortunately no because it isn't what I asked about.
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
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Do there exist any cards other than the below listed cards in a standard fifty-two card playing card deck?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
If that is all of the cards that exist, then doesn't the card my hand is on have to be one of them?
11-25-2015
, 04:27 PM
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, 04:31 PM
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
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In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
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No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
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Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
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I see, I see. I'm afraid I am just not understanding. This must be the part (or at least one part) where I get messed up.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
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Unfortunately no because it isn't what I asked about.
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
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Do there exist any cards other than the below listed cards in a standard fifty-two card playing card deck?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
So the card my hand is on is definitely one of the below listed cards? Yes or no?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
11-25-2015
, 04:33 PM
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So the card my hand is on is definitely one of the below listed cards? Yes or no?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
Yes
11-25-2015
, 04:38 PM
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Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
Let's please try to go through an example in a few steps through few posts starting with Step One below so that I can try to learn where I'm doing something wrong (it would be nice to see you answer the questions in post #72 to try to help me figure this out also):
STEP ONE:
We have 52 standard playing card decks.
- We randomly draw one card from deck 1 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 2 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 3 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 4 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 5 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 6 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 7 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 8 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 9 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 10 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 11 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 12 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 13 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 14 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 15 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 16 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 17 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 18 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 19 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 20 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 21 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 22 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 23 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 24 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 25 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 26 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 27 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 28 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 29 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 30 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 31 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 32 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 33 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 34 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 35 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 36 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 37 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 38 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 39 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 40 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 41 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 42 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 43 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 44 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 45 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 46 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 47 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 48 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 49 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 51 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
- We randomly draw one card from deck 52 and put such card on the kitchen table. What are the chances that this card is each particular card in a standard playing card deck?
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In reply to your scenario,
draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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draw any card from any of the 52 sets/decks of cards, place it on your kitchen counter. the cards by the golden ratio has a 1:52 chance to be any card,
repeat this for another 51 times, each time you draw , each card has the same chance to be any card, the golden constant of 1:52
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Hmmmm .... really? Maybe this is where I start to go wrong.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
So it is 1/52 to be the Ac; 1/52 to be the Ad; 1/52 to be the As; 1/52 to be the Ah and 1/52 to be any of the Ac, Ad, As or Ah?
I don't understand.
It seems like if each of the Ah, As, Ad and Ac has a 1/52 chance, then the chance of it being any one of them should be somewhat more than 1/52.
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No, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
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Please do not skip ahead; it will only confuse me more. I promise I will get further along, but for now I am only here:
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
So you are saying (let me know if the below is true) that:
- The chance such card is the Ah is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ad is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the Ac is 1/52?;
- The chance such card is the As is 1/52; and
- The chance such card is the Ah or the Ad or the As or the Ac is 1/52? So such card is just as likely to be the Ad as it is to be any of the Ad, As, Ac or Ah?
Please let us deal with this first and get me to understand it before we move on.
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I see, I see. I'm afraid I am just not understanding. This must be the part (or at least one part) where I get messed up.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
I don't understand how a card can have a 1/52 chance of being each of four different cards (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As and Ah) and at the same time have only a 1/52 chance of being any of the same four cards. It seems like if the card has a greater than 0 chance of being each of four cards, then it should have a greater chance of being any of the four than it has of being a particular one of the four. But you say this isn't true.
It almost seems like the chances of the card being the Ac, the Ad, the As and the Ah should almost like add together or something to get the chance of the card being any one of them.
If you could post an explanation for why there is a 1/52 chance of such card being any of the four cards mentioned above (i.e. the Ac, Ad, As or Ah), maybe that would be helpful.
If I can't wrap my head around this soon, I may have to think about this for a while before continuing.
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Unfortunately no because it isn't what I asked about.
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
Let me back up a second.
The card I have my hand on. What is the chance that it is any one of the below listed cards (not one of such cards in particular but just any one of them)?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
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Do there exist any cards other than the below listed cards in a standard fifty-two card playing card deck?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
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So the card my hand is on is definitely one of the below listed cards? Yes or no?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
So your answer is "yes".
So then, what are the chances that the card my hand is on is any of the below listed cards?
2c, 2s, 2d, 2h, 3c, 3s, 3d, 3h, 4c, 4s, 4d, 4h, 5c, 5s, 5d, 5h, 6c, 6s, 6d, 6h, 7c, 7s, 7d, 7h, 8c, 8s, 8d, 8h, 9c, 9s, 9d, 9h, Tc, Ts, Td, Th, Jc, Js, Jd, Jh, Qc, Qs, Qd, Qh, Kc, Ks, Kd, Kh, Ac, As, Ad, Ah
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