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09-24-2013 , 05:58 PM
Hi, not sure if there is a simple answer to this one.

Suppose hero has AAxx in PLO, at least single suited.

What is the maximum flop SPR (stack to pot ratio) where it is profitable to 3b/4b pre and autshove any flop? Assume we're heads up to the flop.

Assume opponent is playing a top 20% hand if that is relevant.

Thanks,
OD
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09-24-2013 , 08:17 PM
Erm, theoretically it's doable in Odds Oracle, but will likely require spreadsheet processing of a massive PQL query like here for every hand like outlined in this bachfan's video to calculate the preflop fold equity (the frequency of hands whose EV of calling the PF 4bet is negative, also you'll have to weed out hands outside the top 20% by setting their EV to like -10000 in the modified query) and the average EV of profitably calling hands in Excel from the generated .csv, rinsing and repeating for a sequence of SPRs.

This is gonna be slow as hell, I think you have to give up here. (The assumption that Villain will call the 4bet with the entire x% range is incorrect, as many A*** hands from the top x% will have to fold no matter what x is, it depends on rather the structure of the hand than its absolute equity strength).

If I haven't scared you enough yet, we can discuss it via PM

Last edited by coon74; 09-24-2013 at 08:23 PM.
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09-24-2013 , 10:56 PM
I'm scared . Do you have an intuitive estimate? We can work on the assumption that villain only calls with single/double suited, single/double gapped rundowns that contain no A.

I am fairly sure the answer is at least 1, and I don't think it's over 1.5, but that's just an anecdotal guess.
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09-28-2013 , 08:46 PM
Does anyone have an approximation or educated guess? Would the calculation be doable if we restricted villain to all 1 and 2 gap rundowns with no danglers? i.e. 3456, 3578, all the way up to TJQK, with no ace?

Thanks,
OD
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