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Originally Posted by ghost_of_m
I heard about this debate and initially guessed it was just gossip. Then I was directed to this thread and saw that Jaime did indeed post here. For the record, I have a high degree of respect for Jaime's opinion. He's probably more informed on Twitch matters than anybody in the poker community.
Please note the following points, which are only my opinion based on my best understanding of things.
1. Viewbotting is diligently policed by Twitch. It is explicitly forbidden. I know of several cases of people not getting partnership just because they were accused of viewbotting, with no proof made public by the company. I am also pretty sure that partnerships have been taken away from people for viewbotting in the past, though nobody I can remember at this time.
2. I have been told in the past that some people get viewbotted against their will. In other words, there are streamers who have claimed they had nothing to do with such bots. Maybe somebody else with a lot of cash is a massive fan and pays some service. Or maybe somebody with hacking skills sets it up on their own with the streamer having no knowledge of it. While I know this point will be hard to accept, what I am trying to say is this: IF there is viewbotting, one cannot assume that Gripsed is necessarily behind it. Jaime himself made that point, but it is quite buried in his post.
3. Can we put a percentage on the likelihood that there is or is not view-botting, and if so what are the odds he is behind it? Others more knowledgeable than I have made posts and stated opinions. I am just making the point that the evidence does not make either possibility 100%. Many innocent people have been hung and executed for crimes they did not commit based on much stronger circumstantial evidence than what I have seen so far. I'm not necessarily saying he is blameless here, because I really don't know. Deep down inside, I just hate the idea of a lynch mob being incited based on circumstantial and limited data. Especially when someone's livelihood is at stake.
As for some other points made here, whenever you are a public person there will be those who like you and those who don't. Many things said in this thread about Gripsed and Jaime for that matter have nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is viewbotting. If somebody has hard evidence, please let them come forward and present it.
All you arguments have already been pretty much dismantled either here or on Reddit from just how much twitch can and do police viewbotting to the likelihood that somebody else viewbotting your channel and that you neither know or don't report it.
1) Twitch take a very cautious attitude to outright bans for a number of legal reasons.
2) Those partnered streams have a dedicated skype group where they can communicate directly with twitch employees.
3) You get all sorts of stats about your channel, so it become fairly obvious when and how you get a big bump
4) This bump in traffic has been occurring over a reasonable length of time.
5) That would allow the channel operator to see that they are getting a weird bump and if it isn't from them plenty of opportunity to bring it up with the twitch people directly.
6) Yes people have tried to ruin the rep of other twitch streamers with putting a viewbot on them, then reporting them. However, it seems from Staples statements that twitch are well aware of this now and tell their partnered streams to look out for it and report it.
Perhaps it is all a big misunderstanding, but I doubt Gripsed hasn't seen this thread or the one on Reddit...and I believe people pointed them out to him in chat on twitch (I think in Tonkaaaa's channel when Gripsed was there). But radio silence on this issue, but he is still tweeting away promo stuff today.
Last edited by oracle3001; 03-21-2016 at 07:31 PM.