Yea nvm Im a cheap prick haha

the twitch subs have 24 hour access. for full lifetime VOD of 1000s of hours of archives you need LATB platinum sub. Yes there is audio only on the latb site for subs.

Comon' if you can't tell Gripsed is guilty by the actions he has taken in his own defence then you are a straight up moron. His defence came with no denial whatsoever and only an attack on FTHustla. Now they want you to believe that FTHustla planted the bots, outed the bot scheme to the world (any person who did this would wait for someone else to figure it out first) and then top to it off he goes about seeking public credit for outing him? No one who sets out a scheme like this would draw such attention to themselves. Logical fallacies 101.

i guess you missed the part of gripsed response where he denies any involvement. kinda defeats the purpose of looking through his response imo if youre not going to pay attention enough to hear him deny any involvement

as for the second part of your thorough analysis.. could someone else include someone like jaime staples?

and for the last part.. what if that someone has nothing to lose?

should have paid more attention in that logical fallacies 101 course bruh

Except some of his response was exposed as not fully accurate i.e. the how much he really knew about what a viewbot was (Staples had an extensive lengthy conversation about them), also the fact some mods had raised this with Gripsed beforehand (Then Gripsed claim he knew nothing was wrong) and also Killingbird has now posted a screenshot of the sort of chat that the chatbots were posting. The questions were 100% "on point" for somebody who was wishing to bring up the fact he is an affiliate with certain poker sites, etc etc etc. They would be very strange questions for a malicious person to set the bots to ask.

There are still questions for Gripsed to answer.

https://twitter.com/FTHustla420/with_replies?lang=en


and you guys give him any credit to what he says

the moment you disagree with him hes berating you lol

He did sound very sane, the way he tweets I thought he would blow up, but he kept cool entire time.

how do you stream everyday and not notice a sudden influx of viewers for no reason? did the bots not start to show up when all of a sudden Gripsed is playing higher stakes tourneys?

I've just noticed that Staples shows as first at the top of the forum even when he's got hardly any viewers. Isn't he complaining that that's the advantage viewbotters get lol ?

ive actually watched about an hour and my first and only impression was that he has a problem in his head in a big way.
He was constantly trying to represent him self much bigger than he is...in a creepy big way....i actually felt bad for him when i heard, because he is sick imo.

He prob had a increasingly lower view rate and he couldnt deal with it and went for this desperate attempt

cliffs?

did postfloprepop actually get banned? lol
kind of shocking I miss that wackjob.

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LOL wp

Ghost of m. You seem to have many opinions of viewbotting on twitch.
My question is, what is your opinion of the most extremely obvious case of viewbotting on wildhungarian's stream tonight? I saw you were typing commands into chat like they weren't all robots. I'm confused. And kind of disappointed.

I have many opinions about Twitch issues in general and viewbotting is a big issue on Twitch.

However, I think it's safe to say your post is exactly the reason why I urged people not to rush to judgement about the Gripsed situation. Like many people you rush to accuse people of something with absolutely zero evidence. There was no viewbotting on the Wildhungarian channel that I know of.

Around 9:50PM she was hosted by some Polish streamer. Some of the viewers came to her chat from that stream and some didn't. These are not "poker viewers," these are viewers who are coming because she is hot. They have randomly hosted her at least 3 other times that I can remember.

I checked her Twinge stats and it clearly shows the host with no aberrations that look like viewbots.

http://www.twinge.tv/wildhungarian/s.../#/20585657312

Ghost of m, I know you are a mod in her chat and probably think she is very pretty and a nice girl, but come on, you and I both know what was going on last night.

I won't sit here and list all the obvious reasons why it was a viewbot (not saying that wild is the one who was viewbotting herself, maybe it was someone else doing it because he/she wants her channel to do well). But if anyone cares and wants to see for themselves, just check out the replay from last night. Look at what was being said in the chat and click on some of the user profiles (you will see that all of them are following zero people - not even following wild's stream itself while actively chatting in it.) I apologize if this is the wrong place to post this but I won't post about this anymore, if this is true and continues, I'm sure someone else will point it out.

From here until eternity, any time somebody looks at a stream with a lot of viewers in the poker section they are going to assume "it's a viewbot." And that is really sad.

First of all, I do invite anybody to look at the replay. But I think looking at the replay is most useful for those who have experience on Twitch outside of the poker section. Having said that, if I believed there was a bot on the channel I would have reported it myself.

Here are the reasons why I do NOT believe it was a bot. I know her well enough to know she doesn't care about trying to get the most views. She often times will grind out her games in front of 50 people, sometimes in front of 200. Why would she grind for 5 or 6 or 8 hours in front of 100 viewers and then put a viewbot on herself when she is trying to end her stream? She even put it in sub only mode for a while so that the chat would bother her less. She benefits only from subscriptions and donations. And viewbots contribute neither of those things. Nobody would viewbot her trying to help her stream. If somebody did it, the motive would be to screw her over. Because she is exactly the kind of streamer who is only harmed by a viewbot. She is new to poker and grinding low stakes games. She has been on Twitch a long time and is already partnered. She doesn't need views. She needs subscriptions.

And these viewers were chatting mainly in Polish. As I said, she has been hosted by a few very big Polish streamers. Some of these viewers don't even speak English. Why would somebody program viewbots to speak Polish? Do you think it's not possible that there are millions of people out there in the world who might be on the web who don't necessarily follow streamers on Twitch?

And then there's the other thing people in the Poker section don't always see, a Twitch raid. That's when another streamer who is still streaming will tell people in their chat to go to another streamer's chat and basically spam the chat. This has happened to her too. So if that other streamer is sending bots, who is programming all the millions of random troll messages they are typing in chat?

Many times she has been hosted by people outside the poker section. There are people who get 5K viewers regularly and they just tell jokes, play 8bit games, whatever. Just because she had a lot of viewers when she was trying to end her stream does not mean it was a viewbot.

There's another thing I didn't mention in my original reply. There are some websites where people will post, directing people to raid a streamer. Many times those people are not on Twitch and thus are not following.

Believe me, whether they speak English or not we try to get them to follow. Clearly I think these were real viewers, trolls or not. But if none of them follow, that is strange indeed. There would have to be a way from the twitch server to quantify exactly how many follows occurred during that specific time period. That might provide some useful data.

He selling viewbots?

I think it was meant to be a joke. Have not seen the source tweet but I guess I should look at this point.

if his stream got so much attention then this thread he wouldnt need viewbots

Really getting time to close this ****..lets get real, who cares about gripsed....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day

what are you saying in regards to the wildhungarian claim? That she was hosted/raided last night?

If that were the case bud, some viewers leave. A host/raid is a temporary spike. What her graph shows is that in a matter of minutes she blasts to 500+ and it just stays there. For hours.

Doesn't really make sense, does it. I been a part of bigger streamers when they conducted a raid/host and we all jumped over to the channel. We spam and say hi and whatnot but the viewers end up leaving. ALWAYS.

Then again, you're a mod there and you think gripsed is legit along with the hungarian. Whatevssss bruh.