Everyone needs to shut the **** up and look at this...

1. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...issue-1578210/

2. and then more importantly this

Looks like gripsed has been vidicated

its also weird that people say, "well he only had 200 but it wasnt a good stream" or w/e. The first stream back form the scandal would be his most viewed stream no?

I can guarantee w/ 100% certainty that if I had a front page scandal with the worlds most famous poker streamers involved (like a limon/joey sextape leaked) my 1st stream back would be my most viewed ever (unless the previous viewership numbers were fake).

ya but what about staples? is he in on the witch hunt as well? if this was all a fake setup staples would get smashed. he has something to lose, he had to calculate that when coming forward and calling gripsed out. he had to think the evidence was air tight.

Staples has always said he had additional reasons for believing Gripsed was behind it. I think he always felt sure in his own mind. It's just putting fresh eyes on the public evidence, there were always a lot of questions about this situation.

I don't think the new information exonerates anybody. FTHustla was always open about the fact that he didn't like Gripsed. That doesn't mean he lied.

It's just before, I didn't think that technical sabotage was in his arsenal. I thought he would always just be the guy to curse you out to your face if he had a problem with you. But then having him threaten to technically sabotage somebody in another thread changes that. Even if it's a different kind of sabotage, it's not too far off.

So what we have is just more information to muddy the water and still no definitive proof of guilt or innocence.

This is an interesting thought.

If you look at the stream viewership graph for his return stream, you can see tons of fluctuations and aberrations in the totals. I would guess he had a lot more total unique viewers than average, even if his sustained average viewership is more like 250-300. That's because a lot of people were bound to come into the stream for a minute to just see if anything would be said or to troll him a little. I was also told the ban hammer was active in the first few hours.

Then there's the other side to that coin. Some people may not have wanted to go in the stream because they don't want to be associated with this scandal. Many of his regulars "distanced" themselves from this. So those numbers could definitely be deflated too. I do not believe that "all publicity is good publicity" in this case.

Limon please have a "gripster" on the pokersesh .. would love to hear their woooohoooo theories on the gripsed scandal.

Why not get Gripsed himself? He has presented his own theory, but more important than that you know Limon can ask him direct questions. I think Limon is generally fair to his on-air guests too.

exactly!!! Of the 200-250 viewers there's a chance that 80%+ of those viewers were tuning in like myself to watch the stream because of the scandal!!!! The real viewership / the "gripsters" might be a lot smaller then we were lead to believe (contrary to the 50k subs on the gripsed YOUTUBE channel ) .. Ghost of m why don't you call into the pokersesh ?? you are all over the gripsed twitch chat /2plus2 , you may even be a gripsed mod. would you consider ????

What's that theory again ??? That a grown man in his 30's who may have been short on $$$ @ the time / who may suffer from substance abuse issues / had a falling out with gripsed (confirmed) and waited 1 year to orchestrate the biggest viewbotting scandal in twitch poker history ??? I'm not really buying it . Fthustla has said a lot of things that he obv shouldn't , he's a hot head / loose cannon..

LOL

I am going to just go ahead and believe you are trolling me now. Well played.

Literally in the first post I made in this thread I openly stated I am not a mod for Gripsed or Jaime. I was a mod for Jaime for a long time. If somebody was to allege bias, it would be a stronger argument to say I am in Jaime's camp than in Gripsed's.

I have no problem calling in but I don't know what it really adds to the discussion. I almost called in last week but the viewbot guy "notBTC" basically covered 70% of the points I would have made. I do not seek the spotlight. As somebody who was not in chat during the day in question, I think there are a lot of people who could present Gripsed side of this better than I.

I kind of want to agree with you. I was literally the first one to say that FTHustla was not a likely candidate. And yet we have him in another thread openly threatening somebody to hire a service to do roughly the same thing Gripsed is saying was done to him. Even though I still want to believe he had nothing to do with this, we can't ignore that.

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I don't think there's any debate about whether or not he was viewbotting - just that anyone can viewbot anyone on twitch.

The assumption is that it's the person behind the channel for obvious reasons, but this isn't necessarily the case.

I've never even watched this stream and don't have a dog in this fight, just having seen this FTHustla's crazy posts in the past, it makes it pretty obvious you should question anything involving him as he clearly has some sort of personality disorder and mental/psychological issues.

If you would stop posting, this might work it's way out.

But you don't really want that to happen do you?

You are playing all sides against each other simply to keep this thing going.

Your kind of like a bot yourself,
Drumming up hits for twitch . Well played.

Give us a break and stop posting your repetitive nonsense.

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I don't understand why that isn't enough evidence that gripsed is legits.

I'm sorry the truth is not simple enough to allow me to fit into a box you can comprehend.

All he has done is collect images of posts and tweets made by FTHustla. We already knew about those posts. They just prove he doesn't like Gripsed. They don't prove he had anything to do with the bots.

This is going to be an open question till more concrete proof is presented.

of course it doesn't, but it does give us some more insight into his thought process. which I think is relevant.


we are unlikely to get a resolution to this, and at this point if we did, I feel like either being proven guilty wouldn't surprise me.

because gripsed legitimacy has nothing to do with fthustlas sanity. lol

for the record fthustla seemed sane when he was on my show and took some tough questioning well.

gripsed can come on the show if he likes, i think hell have fun, we take live calls on my show from the poker community. its like poker "face the nation".

Limon is there link to listen to this now? I call BS on him seeming sane so would love to listen myself.

The show is FREE when its LIVE. The archives of every show and training vids are at liveatthebike.com but there is a fee for those archives.

Limon, I am guessing that subscribers to LATB's Twitch channel have access to the video archive correct? Is it the same for the LATB premium subscribers? Also, is there an audio-only podcasted version out there?