I wasn't personally hurt by the comments because I'm reasonable enough to know some keyboard warrior calling me a whore without ever having met me, doesn't mean much. However, it is disheartening in general to see how many people will jump at the opportunity to make disgusting comments to, or about a woman simply because, she's a woman.

As far as the patronizing thing, I personally disagree with you Wilbury. In fact, I sort of think the opposite. Maybe if more men took this "White-knight" approach it would become less acceptable amongst men to behave like that towards women. If I speak up or defend myself, it just throws flames on the fire. If countless male peers let it be known that behavior isn't acceptable, there's at least a chance it could make a difference.

whenever sticky's asian friend is on cam the chat goes wild with racial slurs and ethnic jokes in bad taste, so i don't really think this is the case. it's more likely these idiots are just a bunch of hateful beings that jump at any chance to distribute low blows with the safety of anonymity.

Twitch chat is notorious for being full of trolls, regardless of the streamers gender.

No doubt, if there is anonymity, there will be trolls. But, if you think the problem isn't compounded x10 for females, you're delusional.

these guys go in the channels of the best gamers in the world and call them ******s/trash/ make fun of them and spam them. you think they care if they are a guy or girl?

and there are so many women on twitch that are godawful at whatever game but they make way more money and have more audience members simply because they are a girl.

twitch chat gonna twitch chat



seriously though nobody should read twitch chat

Guys do it to each other too. People are just *******s on the internet. They'll use anything they can think of to insult you. While it may seem you're being targeted because you're a women, you're not. That's just what they use to attack you with. If you were a guy, they'd find something else.

Why should women be exempt from what I said above? If guys have to deal with constant insults and attacks from other guys, why should women not have to deal with it? Why should they get special treatment, simply because they are women?

You guys truly think males are attacked with the same level of animosity and frequency as females on the internet?

Well, I've never been a woman on the internet so I can't answer that question with certainty, but guys definitely frequently and viciously attack each other online, yes.

But I know for a fact women get special treatment from a lot of guys online, which guys never get. So that should be accounted for in this equation...

Respect.

I actually was referring more to the whole white-knight/damsel-in-distress mentality in general. Obviously, anyone behaving reprehensibly to anyone else (male or female) deserves to get called out for it. However, I'm also quite relieved to hear that you find it to be the opposite of patronizing. (TL;DR ahead).

One of my acquaintances has long been a local self-appointed crusader for women's empowerment. He's not exactly wealthy, but sufficiently well-off that years ago he and his wife hired as a personal assistant a single mom who had fallen on hard times. They pay her very well and even helped provide for the daughter -- things like enrolling her in summer camps, etc. I think the assistant and daughter stayed in the guest portion of their home but I'm less sure about that.

Naturally, I always found it to be very noble and even aspired to reach a point where I could possibly do the same. That is, until I heard my boss and co-worker at the time go off about him. One of them, can't remember which, put it best: he acted like his assistant's race and gender were disabilities, and thus he was doing her a favor. My boss in particular was a successful businesswoman who had moved up in the profession because she was smart and capable, not because some man was always there to serve as training wheels*.

Now, I was, and still am, a very ardent supporter of women's athletics. It has quite literally been my entire profession, as a highly disproportionate amount of my work and efforts have been with our women's teams. As was said in a previous post, I'm sure that I came across as an obnoxious white-knight type early on. Hearing my office colleagues grouse about this philanthropist served as an eye-opener (or ear-opener), and made me very cognizant of my own table image, if you will. I serve my athletes because I have the utmost respect for what they do. The last thing I would ever want is for my teams to think that I see them as some sort of charity case**.

Anyway, appreciate the reply, Dgirl. Equally eye-opening, I must say!


* In fairness, it could be that she disliked him not for his cause but because he spent so many calories reminding others about it. He reportedly once told one of our men's coaches to "prove to your wife and daughter every day that you're not a male chauvinist."

** This applies to my one men's team, too, as water polo so often rests at the bottom of the totem pole at other schools.

pretty sure every insult in the internet is trolling, who cares about being insulted in the internet

post your feminist talk somewhere else please

This is an issue of female perception due to the content of insults, which are usually sexist.

Men get much more (because nobody pulls any punches, ever, while some do when the target is female) abuse. It is not sexist in nature but more related to IQ ("******"), sexual orientation (gay"), race, penis size, country (some Canadians attempted to give me **** about living in ugly and poor Croatia, apparently Google is not a thing for some people?) or whatever characteristic the attacker can latch on to.

This feminist derail is almost worse than the moral derail.

How did Sticky end up last night?

Agree with basically everything dgirl said. I do want to get back to watching sticky lose money and then hopefully ODing and dying tho.

good question. he was up like 5k at one point i think but then lost it all + more. a wild guess is like -$4k. anyone have any clue as to what the correct score might be?

good luck getting him to OD! he's straight edge.

An important topic, but when I die, I don't want my legacy to be that of the girl who derailed one of the greatest threads ever.


Gooooooooo StickyRice!!

He was up 4.7 k ...then lost all of that and I believe 3.5k total. So -3.5k

How is he financing this is the real question, the profits are long gone by now.

He lost yesterday? I saw him win a bunch with a fd vs a set, 45s vs AQ, and then quit after 4b jamming AJs to play counterstrike. He came back after that and lost it all back or what?

yeah, check the hand histories i provided above and you'll see what went down.

Implying most women want special treatment online?

I come from a gaming background and had to make new accounts a few months into my "career" to make sure none of my names were feminine, never admit to being female, never join skype chats etc. because of how frequently I was being attacked in chat before.. And I'm counting "flirting" in the weirdest ways and trying to have online sex with me or something too, as that makes me incredibly uncomfortable.

Most "special treatment" I'd get would be refused anyway..

I did not get insulted nearly as often and had a general better gaming experience after I made these changes.

Maybe its just the gaming community being immature but a lot of sticky's fans are from that community too. I'm not nearly as well known as dmoongirl either which would also make a big difference I'd think.

dmoongirl, this is the internet. If you think it's just men bashing girls, then you're wrong and you're sexist. If you think your gender gets it worse than anybody else, then you're wrong and you're sexist. Take stickyrice for example. The dude is being bumhunted everytime he logs into Bovada (you're one of them), and now he's being bumhunted at live casinos. He's constantly made fun of and insulted in a mean spirited and personal way. Half his viewers get actual joy at the thought of him going broke. Tell me you're getting it tougher than he is, and he's a man. Boo-who, you got called a whore. Big deal. I get called worse crap on a daily basis on the internet, and I'm a man. Trolls will latch on to any characteristic of you and exploit it to make you feel bad. In your case, they think they can push your buttons by saying misogynistic stuff. If you think that us guys don't get called sh*tty things over the internet too, then you're wrong.

My point is that the internet bashing and trollism isn't gender specific. Trolls don't care if you're a girl or a guy, they'll bash you all the same. Also, this "girls got it so much worse!" feminism bullsh*t is really getting old. I wish people would buy me free drinks and pay for my dinner, but it doesn't happen.

Perfect example of what I was saying. This troll would have made a very similar post no matter what argument you were making. He just would have used a different word than 'feminist' if you were a male.

Most? I don't know. Probably not. Hardcore feminists and women's equality types probably specifically don't want special treatment. Some? Absolutely. Just like in the real world. Many women want to be treated like men when that benefits them but want to be treated different when that benefits them.

Didn't you notice that many fewer people simple cared you were alive when you didn't identify yourself as a female? All that extra attention is special treatment. And you seem to imply that all of the extra attention was vulgar and negative, you know that isn't the case.

In the case of dmoongirl, if she were dmoonguy (either because she were a guy or pretended to be one) she would almost certainly not have 7k+ followers on Twitter and all of these people caring that she is playing sticky etc. That's special treatment, because she is a female. She doesn't seem to mind that though, just the bad stuff. The trolling and nastiness we all deal with online.

Most people actually seem quite supportive of sticky, I don't see insulting comments too often... I guess we should stop derailing now.

Did anyone actually enjoy watching sticky shoving T9o "for the fans" etc? I liked it when he was actually trying.

Watched sticky give away two stacks in a row (he even shoved 85o in between those two hands- $1,500 to win $30) and watching him lose made me sick to my stomach. Don't think I am going to watch anymore, it's way more fun when he is winning and jumping around. Actually pretty sad to watch someone go on tilt like that and just dust off all their money. Don't like being reminded that this is probably what happens on the other side everyday when I'm grinding.