a bot would get rekt at 5knl

Tnx Joey Much Love Joey Shout out 2 Poker Sasha can't wait Have A Great Day Peace . . .

What is your definition of rekt?

damn, that's crazy

Wasn't Oborra banned as a bot and he was playing these stakes? I would guess it is more likely real-time assistance of some kind.

Edit - I see someone got there already.

Will be having Sasha Liu aka PokerSasha on the podcast tomorrow at 3pm EST. Sasha plays PLO cash games here in Vegas and also MTTs. She is known for posting epic chip stacks on IG, winning PLO tourneys, being very thoughtful w/ her words and being mentioned on my podcasts all the time. She is also my ex-gf so I'm sure there will be some of that discussion mixed in here. https://www.instagram.com/pokersasha/

Podcast schedule

Having on David ODB Baker on Friday 3pm EST time to have a World Series of Poker ideas/discussion/improvement related episode. David always tweets out great ideas on how to make the WSOP better (one of the only people I see doing this) so I wanted to have him on with WSOP arriving next week. https://twitter.com/audavidb

We will also be having on Jungleman and Gus Hansen sometime over the next week or so.

Once the WSOP starts - I'm not sure how exactly I will structure the guests I have on. Will try to do 2/3 podcasts a week for the summer and then other videos in between.

Amazing work ethic rn Joey! Looking forward to the jungle and gus pods. Keep it up my man!

The poker world is a pretty boring place these days. Maybe it's been that way for awhile now and I wasn't paying attention.

It seems like people don't have much interest in actual hands that take place, who wins at cash games on an individual session basis, or who wins at tournaments. I might argue people are still interested in fun hands that take place but the companies do such an awful job at cutting those out and getting them in front of the poker world/audience.

Most of the interest is instead on individual streamers, VLOGGERS, IG personalities - basically sub-communities rather than the poker community overall as a whole. People pay attention to the channels/people that they watch on a regular basis. The other side of media is non-existent in the poker world so anyone who doesn't create content or promote themselves, gets no coverage/attention. This isn't the case bigger sports league because the media does 209358x better job covering the actual game that takes place from multiple perspectives.

The number of great/top players still actively playing on a consistent basis that fans seem to have legit/actual interest is very small and I don't see it increasing anytime soon for a number of different reasons. I see there being these communities of poker fans who have there favorite VLOGGERS that they follow and favorite streamers they follow and don't know much else outside of that. On the other side, I see there being a whole part of the poker world who has no interest in VLOGs or hand history breakdowns done by random people who end up being left w/ no content of interest. Either way, the overall audience isn't large either way.

I think internet content is going more and more dramatic/controversial/clickbaity overall and peoples creative ideas for content will continue to go further and further down that path as well. You can see the evolution of the poker vloggers strategies as well as the poker streamers. No one is very creative w/ their approaches, monkey see, monkey do. It's a very uninspiring content sector.

I find it all pretty fascinating.

I think a live plo vlog would kill it

While his answers weren't that convincing (on poker), I don't think a bot ring would nominate one of their number to go and lie for 2.5 hours. I think it's just the language barrier + him not wanting to reveal secrets so he doesn't lose action. Thanks for the pod Joey!

really looking forward to the jungle one, these podcasts have been on fire lately.

I would have thought it was the perfect thing for someone to do in that situation. Attaching a person to the account through the podcast seems like a genius move to remove any suspicion.

Besides the poker answers, I just thought there was a huge amount of red flags.

He was a losing/BE players for years and then something clicks and suddenly he starts crushing. I think he said he changed the way he looked at things. He came up in the game with another person who he seems to know who started crushing at the same time/stakes and has since been outed as bot.

When Joey asked him about the botting. He went off on some nonsensical rant which was complete gibberish I think talking about playing against friends who use bots for practice??

He has never played live poker and doesn't intend to any time soon. His technical answers on poker where extremely weak and evasive.

He went out of his way to say he doesn't use any software including Holdem Manager. It seemed like a shout out, hey my computer is completely clean PS, I have no software of any kind running. We know that any software that would be being used is not going to run in this way.

There were loads more little things I can't remember now that didn't feel right when listening.

This is all complete rampant speculation and this guy could be the real deal, worked extremely hard and deserves all the loots.

Just to say as well that if these dream machines are a thing I don't know how the games aren't already dead. Alright, you have the guys who play strictly by the machine and put in ridiculous hours and make detection easy if you have a competent security department but anyone who is smart surely is in no danger of getting caught?

If you can run GTO assistance without detection and play along with it using a more exploitive style in some spots, GTO in others, random donks in some spots. It is literally impossible for any investigation to prove any wrongdoing.

lol how ****ing crazy would it be if this were true, this is what poker has come to.

Debating if a top player from Belarus came on to a poker podcast and pretended like he wasn't a bot.

Going down in 1 hour

I think as a poker content creator with a big following, there is room for you make and market the clips from streams that watchers can suggest to you.

You're right that there is a lot of good content but it's all buried in streams.

You can monetize this by talking to the events and ask for pay to essentially promote their events. These programs make money via getting viewers, and you have a huge audience.

Think of how poker GO and LATB puts out interesting clips on youtube and they get more subscribers.

For the smaller poker streams, that don't have a big audience, you can build it for them for a price. You get paid AND produce content for YOUR fans, and the poker streams get more viewers.

I understand at this point you aren't mega money motivated, but this is also a way to build YOUR brand, as an influencer. You ARE a business, whether you realize it or not. You have a fanbase and can leverage it. Learning to leverage your influencer skills in your most influential market will also translate into your influencing in other markets that interest you such as MMA.

PS- You live in Vegas, why haven't you done any MMA prize fight podcasts?

I think there is a LOT of crossover appeal between both competitions.
There is not only financial risk but also a ton of emotion and ego on the line all with an element of LUCK involved, seeing dreams get crushed and goals achieved. Whilst you may not be the most knowledgeable in MMA, I think they will understand the hard work aspects, the emotional pain, the self doubt, the glory, the grind and time commitments it takes to dream your way to the top.

I have been playing with Borntotilt for like four years, and he is one of the last people I would suspect to be cheating.
He has also always been very friendly to me, and not at alll manipulative.

When players were already betting 1/3 pot OTF, he was still bombing away.
But then he changed his style to more of a modern solver based strategy.

Obviously, he is not going to give away any sick strategy, and there was a bit of a language barrier.
There's a bunch of guys who are 100x more suspicious than him.

The Dream Machines are real. Currently advertising on 2+2 Commercial Software section, check out a thing called solverbuddy...calls up real time PLO GTO solutions via voice assistant.

munez & zaruba

You can see threads back as far as 3/4 years ago here , here where it was pretty much confirmed that the likes of Tollerene/Haxton had access to software like this even back then. When stuff like this becomes public it can only be imagined that versions of it have been used by players privately for years before and the last stage is usually when this route has run its course somewhat and a company decides to make it public. As far as I am aware the HSNL in-game GTO solvers have only been publically appearing very recently so who knows how long some guys have had access privately.

I don't want to derail Joey's thread with this topic so I think we should leave any further conversation. Pretty sad that it is almost impossible to see how online poker even survives a year with the leaps in 3rd party technology that looks to be coming to market. I think it is an unwinnable war for poker sites. Pokerstars may have been rightly ridiculed by the community for all the changes which looked to be contributing to poker die-ing online but in reality, they are just acutely aware the business is a ticking timebomb and they need to make hay while the sun shines.

Anyway to steer back on topic. Joey was a guest on the latest Chip Race podcast here.

Will be having a "How to improve the World Series of Poker" discussion tomorrow w/ David ODB Baker at 3pm EST

Dominick Nitsche

He has a new product...

but I like the poker tips he gives away for free