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04-15-2018 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
I agree with all unquoted parts and def not a fan boy, but this 'money means nothing to me' vs 'upset about losing 10 buyins' isnt necessarily connected. he might be upset with losing, but not about losing the money (buyins).


i think this is a fair point, but it was just the first example that came to my head. i understand having that competitive fire and burning at the idea of losing (regardless of money), but wtf. example #2 off the top of my head: guy is talking about respecting his opponents and then the next breath talking about how they're "playing for their lunch money" and how he wants to destroy them.

full disclosure: lol i dont respect most of my opponents in poker (i dont play nosebleeds tho, so it's warranted), and that's basically how i'd talk about them
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04-15-2018 , 11:08 AM
Thanks for uploading the new podcast episodes on itunes, but I really think it would be nice if you could upload each episode one after another on itunes. A lot of people such as myself prefer listening to podcasts through itunes so it would probably make your podcast grow faster if you could do that quickly.
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04-15-2018 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
2 hours of gman podcast while sitting in a live game and all i can say is that he comes off as the kind of guy who pathologically strokes his own ego in subtle/indirect ways while simultaneously talking out the other side of his mouth about how humble and grounded he is. he contradicts himself in his rambling on numerous occasions too ("money means nothing to me" : "i got so upset when i lost 10 buyins in 3 sessions"), which makes it all just sound like total bull****.

full disclosure, i get legit triggered when rich people pontificate about how meaningless money is. it's 100% true that once you've attained a certain standard of living, more money isn't going to bring you happiness or fulfillment, but damn, have you ever been poor? do you know any poor people? have you ever REALLY struggled under the weight of mounting medical bills/debt or lost a lucrative job/income stream that you can't immediately replace? do you know what it's like to not know where your next meal is coming from? tell someone in that position that having more money to make ends meet won't make them happier, see what kind of response you get. seems like he thinks that working hard and "trying to be the best" is an automatic recipe to success.

spoiler alert: it's not. sometimes people try and fail, sometimes people get screwed, and sometimes people don't get the opportunities they need at the right times to make it out of the hole that they're in. sometimes people aren't equipped with the tools and support that they need in order to climb the ladder because of their upbringing or their mental and physical limitations. gman seems utterly oblivious to this basic fact of life and while i know these podcasts are supposed to showcase the guest and all that, he comes off as being very pompous and self absorbed.

ya, not a fan.
Pretty aggressive post, but I’ll take the bait one time:

I don’t think I’m humble really, but I’m working on it. I specifically discuss that I am most disappointed in myself lately because the string of losses has at times made me upset-that I still have a lot of work to do from a mindset standpoint. Throughout the podcast I discuss a bunch of areas I’d like to improve upon but am still very much a work in progress (to say the least).

I also specifically discuss the diminishing returns associated with income-that the difference between poverty vs 60k is a huge deal, 60 vs 150 less so, 150 vs 500 barely mattering, and 500 vs 5M probably won’t do much for anyone. Like everything else I said, I didn’t come up with this myself, I just learned it from people much smarter than me.

No I have never been poor. Yes I know plenty of poor people. I’m a Big Brother to a 9 year black kid in Compton where he and 6 other members of his family live in a 1 BR apt. I don’t need to have ever lived in poverty to know that the financial stress his Aunt faces to put food on the table is crippling. I never said otherwise.

I also am well aware that hard work does not equal success, not even motherf***ing close. I am well aware I hit the lottery in every way in life, starting with being born a white male in America all the way down to the endless rungood I’ve had in my poker career. I always believe I’ve done well in poker to a large extent because of good fortune. So much so in fact that I often feel incredible guilt about it as I have written about in previous 2+2 posts. Some nosebleed poker players think they are special because they’ve made a lot of money playing poker-I think nearly the opposite. Making a lot of money doesn’t make someone special, and certainly not by playing a card game.

Not looking for fans, just offering a few things I’ve read that have helped me live with a bit more peace. It wasn’t so fun to be accused of a series of things I not only didn’t say, but often said and/or think the opposite.
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04-15-2018 , 12:24 PM
Joey, excellent interview with Garrett, really appreciated it.
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04-15-2018 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
2 hours of gman podcast while sitting in a live game and all i can say is that he comes off as the kind of guy who pathologically strokes his own ego in subtle/indirect ways while simultaneously talking out the other side of his mouth about how humble and grounded he is. he contradicts himself in his rambling on numerous occasions too ("money means nothing to me" : "i got so upset when i lost 10 buyins in 3 sessions"), which makes it all just sound like total bull****.

full disclosure, i get legit triggered when rich people pontificate about how meaningless money is. it's 100% true that once you've attained a certain standard of living, more money isn't going to bring you happiness or fulfillment, but damn, have you ever been poor? do you know any poor people? have you ever REALLY struggled under the weight of mounting medical bills/debt or lost a lucrative job/income stream that you can't immediately replace? do you know what it's like to not know where your next meal is coming from? tell someone in that position that having more money to make ends meet won't make them happier, see what kind of response you get. seems like he thinks that working hard and "trying to be the best" is an automatic recipe to success.

spoiler alert: it's not. sometimes people try and fail, sometimes people get screwed, and sometimes people don't get the opportunities they need at the right times to make it out of the hole that they're in. sometimes people aren't equipped with the tools and support that they need in order to climb the ladder because of their upbringing or their mental and physical limitations. gman seems utterly oblivious to this basic fact of life and while i know these podcasts are supposed to showcase the guest and all that, he comes off as being very pompous and self absorbed.

ya, not a fan.
I've definitely thought stuff like this about a couple of podcast guests in the past, but I just finished watching the Gman one and I'm not sure this is fair.

Wanting someone to be entirely consistent in everything they say over the course of a wide ranging, informal 3 hour conversation is expecting a lot under any circumstances, but even more so when that person is at pains to point out that they have ran well in every aspect of their lives and that they are still learning and struggling at times to find balance and keep things in perspective.

Personally I am more suspicious of people who speak in certainties and I think if you can talk about how you view your personal and professional life for three hours without bumping into some contradictions then you're probably doing it wrong.

Talking about how money isn't important while being rich is tone deaf in isolation, but the first time it was talked about it was in the context of the idea that once a middling level of income is achieved, further financial gains have diminishing returns, and I thought it was clear that this was what was being referred to later on in the podcast.

More often than not when people talk about gratitude and humility it comes across as self aggrandizing and douchey, but in this case that wasn't the impression I got at all, I thought he came across as genuinely reflective and curious about life.

Of course I could be off in my read but I just thought I'd give another perspective, I've enjoyed watching him play on the streams and the podcast didn't disappoint.
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04-15-2018 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gman06



Not looking for fans, just offering a few things I’ve read that have helped me live with a bit more peace. It wasn’t so fun to be accused of a series of things I not only didn’t say, but often said and/or think the opposite.

Apologies for mischaracterizing your words then. Could you point out specifically what i accused you of saying that you actually didnt say?
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04-15-2018 , 07:49 PM
I think it's pretty unlikely that someone would voluntarily put themselves out there on a podcast for 2 hours and then make stuff up about money not being an issue to them.

GMan came as across as genuine to me, plus he has gone on to qualify that when one gets to a certain high or quite high level of net worth that a downward shift in it does not impact their happiness in the same way that a downward shift does from a lower base.
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04-15-2018 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
Apologies for mischaracterizing your words then. Could you point out specifically what i accused you of saying that you actually didnt say?
Lol you cannot be serious, just stop
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04-15-2018 , 09:23 PM
+Rep_lol-

No chance the guy could just have a different upbringing/worldview than your own right? lol come on people.

guy puts himself out there, shares some insights into his life etc....and the only thing you take from it is all that negative stuff about wealth, privilege, etc?? seriously?

you basically say he is oblivious to the plight of the poor....but ask yourself the reverse:

How sensitive and concerned are you in regards to the struggles of affluent people? Do their lives and the problems they face matter any less than that of a poor man's?

Or maybe you just think everyone who had halfway decent parents and didn't grow up on the street is a pompous, rich white guy?

Last edited by MerginHosOn24s; 04-15-2018 at 09:29 PM.
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04-15-2018 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gman06
Pretty aggressive post, but I’ll take the bait one time:

I don’t think I’m humble really, but I’m working on it. I specifically discuss that I am most disappointed in myself lately because the string of losses has at times made me upset-that I still have a lot of work to do from a mindset standpoint. Throughout the podcast I discuss a bunch of areas I’d like to improve upon but am still very much a work in progress (to say the least).

I also specifically discuss the diminishing returns associated with income-that the difference between poverty vs 60k is a huge deal, 60 vs 150 less so, 150 vs 500 barely mattering, and 500 vs 5M probably won’t do much for anyone. Like everything else I said, I didn’t come up with this myself, I just learned it from people much smarter than me.

No I have never been poor. Yes I know plenty of poor people. I’m a Big Brother to a 9 year black kid in Compton where he and 6 other members of his family live in a 1 BR apt. I don’t need to have ever lived in poverty to know that the financial stress his Aunt faces to put food on the table is crippling. I never said otherwise.

I also am well aware that hard work does not equal success, not even motherf***ing close. I am well aware I hit the lottery in every way in life, starting with being born a white male in America all the way down to the endless rungood I’ve had in my poker career. I always believe I’ve done well in poker to a large extent because of good fortune. So much so in fact that I often feel incredible guilt about it as I have written about in previous 2+2 posts. Some nosebleed poker players think they are special because they’ve made a lot of money playing poker-I think nearly the opposite. Making a lot of money doesn’t make someone special, and certainly not by playing a card game.

Not looking for fans, just offering a few things I’ve read that have helped me live with a bit more peace. It wasn’t so fun to be accused of a series of things I not only didn’t say, but often said and/or think the opposite.
Dont worry only a small minority of one person thought anything negative watching your podcast.

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
2 hours of gman podcast while sitting in a live game and all i can say is that he comes off as the kind of guy who pathologically strokes his own ego in subtle/indirect ways while simultaneously talking out the other side of his mouth about how humble and grounded he is. he contradicts himself in his rambling on numerous occasions too ("money means nothing to me" : "i got so upset when i lost 10 buyins in 3 sessions"), which makes it all just sound like total bull****.

full disclosure, i get legit triggered when rich people pontificate about how meaningless money is. it's 100% true that once you've attained a certain standard of living, more money isn't going to bring you happiness or fulfillment, but damn, have you ever been poor? do you know any poor people? have you ever REALLY struggled under the weight of mounting medical bills/debt or lost a lucrative job/income stream that you can't immediately replace? do you know what it's like to not know where your next meal is coming from? tell someone in that position that having more money to make ends meet won't make them happier, see what kind of response you get. seems like he thinks that working hard and "trying to be the best" is an automatic recipe to success.

spoiler alert: it's not. sometimes people try and fail, sometimes people get screwed, and sometimes people don't get the opportunities they need at the right times to make it out of the hole that they're in. sometimes people aren't equipped with the tools and support that they need in order to climb the ladder because of their upbringing or their mental and physical limitations. gman seems utterly oblivious to this basic fact of life and while i know these podcasts are supposed to showcase the guest and all that, he comes off as being very pompous and self absorbed.

ya, not a fan.
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
Apologies for mischaracterizing your words then. Could you point out specifically what i accused you of saying that you actually didnt say?
There I highlighted the parts that showcase you mis-characterizing gmans words. "seems like" "i get legit triggered" "comes off as". All of these are your opinions and you are reading into gmans podcast something that isn't there.

Honestly, you just sound jealous. Like someone who wants to point out to the world "The reason I'm not as successful as gman isn't because I'm not as hard working but just because he ran better than me...."

Like why do you care +rep? Gman came off as being very genuine and a nice guy in the podcast to me.
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04-16-2018 , 12:09 AM
Impromptu Sunday Night Poker Life podcast LIVE in an hour with my friend Poker Sasha aka Sasha Liu.

Sasha plays the GREAT GAME OF PLO, NL MTTs, and is one of the most GTO people that I know. A lot of people have been asking more about her after I had her on a few of my LATB Monday shows and posted some things with her on IG. She also helped me set up the legendary Barry G podcast

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04-16-2018 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
Dont worry only a small minority of one person thought anything negative watching your podcast.

blah blah blah


None of the words you bolded are examples of words that i unfairly/incorrectly put in gmans mouth, but tks

obv i'm jealous since it's not like i play poker for a living or anything...fanboys gonna fanboy
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04-16-2018 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MerginHosOn24s
How sensitive and concerned are you in regards to the struggles of affluent people? Do their lives and the problems they face matter any less than that of a poor man's?
rofl, i cant even with this ****. just lol

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Originally Posted by mrno1324
Lol you cannot be serious, just stop
he said i "accused him" of "things he didn't say". pretty sure everything i called him out for was things that he did in fact say- whether he meant them in the way i took them or not, that's up for debate but i obv have my own feelings about it and none of you are doing a good job at changing them. i asked him to be specific because tbh it just sounded like vintage gman whining going back to the old survivor episodes (episode?) that i've been more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on until now. no need to cape up for the man and derail into a back and forth here, i'm pretty sure that he can speak for himself if he cares enough.

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04-16-2018 , 10:45 AM
Just because you got offended by it doesn't mean he said something inherently bad. You made a slanderous post attacking the straw man using emotionally charged language and now that you got put in your place you want to play word games. Your actions are comparable to those of a triggered SJW. I hope he doesn't indulge you by responding.
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04-16-2018 , 11:07 AM
GMAN was the best podcast I watched this year!
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04-16-2018 , 11:15 AM
I can't figure out what the debate is over.


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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
Hey Papi any potential of another sauce podcast sometime this year? (or soon , before WSOP to ask him his plans too) With him being back online battling berri / overtaking Jeans for biggest winner on stars etc and last but not least we could all just use more of him and his treadmill in our lives

Could ask him if he was using ikes dream machine when he disapeared for a few months or was playing live too!
Maybe so, I will have to ask him.

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Originally Posted by jacobite barnes
Gman vid was immense!

Why dont you get educa on?
I think I should.


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Originally Posted by Lockerl71
such great content, if I only could stand Joes "habitus" fore more than five minutes......

Sorry

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Originally Posted by Xptboy
Thanks for uploading the new podcast episodes on itunes, but I really think it would be nice if you could upload each episode one after another on itunes. A lot of people such as myself prefer listening to podcasts through itunes so it would probably make your podcast grow faster if you could do that quickly.
I will.
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04-16-2018 , 11:16 AM
I'm glad so many people enjoyed the podcast with Gman. I very much enjoy talking with him. Thanks to everyone who still listens to the podcast. I always appreciate the feedback on the different episodes and suggestions.
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04-16-2018 , 11:33 AM
I always love the podcasts with people in the industry that work for the operators to get their perspective on poker. Nice to see you grinding out the podcasts... well hopefully not grinding.
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04-16-2018 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
Just because you got offended by it doesn't mean he said something inherently bad. You made a slanderous post attacking the straw man using emotionally charged language and now that you got put in your place you want to play word games. Your actions are comparable to those of a triggered SJW. I hope he doesn't indulge you by responding.
ignoring the other nonsense in this quoted post, the use of the term "SJW" as a pejorative is a huge tell about what kind of person you are and how much common decency you possess. this will be the last time i address you itt
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04-16-2018 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
Don't stop the movement Papi. The poker world needs you and your GTO investigating.
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04-16-2018 , 01:45 PM
Good podcast with Gman, love his logic and rationale.. also thanks for putting me up on Mark Manson
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04-16-2018 , 02:51 PM
If I can find the energy to try my best to talk about the issues of this industry with 1/100th the platform that you have then so can you carry on.

It's not on deaf ears. Many on this very forum don't call a spade a spade because it can harm them in the industry... But if no one speaks up the decline of poker would occur faster. On the positive side though when you speak of the good changes, like say Party poker of late, then you speed up the good.
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04-16-2018 , 04:25 PM
In the interview, Gman says that he is always pursuing something and with so many hours in each day, going to the gym for 2 hours, for example, is not a burden. Instead, it's hard to fill the hours.

As a self confessed lazy person who likes to stay home and lounge around, I'm intrigued and will probably never understand this or achieve this.

Great interview.
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04-16-2018 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dc_publius
In the interview, Gman says that he is always pursuing something and with so many hours in each day, going to the gym for 2 hours, for example, is not a burden. Instead, it's hard to fill the hours.

As a self confessed lazy person who likes to stay home and lounge around, I'm intrigued and will probably never understand this or achieve this.

Great interview.
I think ultimately gman is saying he has the same problem. That he has so much free time it's hard to fill it with meaningful pursuits. Which implies he has the same lazy impulses, but he is probably better at fighting them than us plebeians because he values the feeling achievement brings over lounging.

Find something that you are passionate about and run full speed towards it.
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