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11-13-2015 , 12:26 AM
He's certainly a clever design mechanic. Interested to see how he ends up working out as the meta adjusts.
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11-13-2015 , 12:59 AM
I hope he works out longterm bc hes suh a great anti aggro card. As noted early truly fine in other matchups. Just especially ****s on face decks tho
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11-13-2015 , 02:35 AM
I'm way too greedy using Reno. I keep wanting to heal for more and don't play around maximum damage from my opponent. Lost twice because of that.
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11-13-2015 , 09:24 AM
Regardless of how strong he is, Reno is a game changer. Was playing sort of a Grinder mage with Duplicate and Echo and a bunch of just good cards and it just destroys aggro. Pretty fun too.

I tried some HL too, but I went Demon and think 2 Void Callers might be worth it. Found I was missing them too much, but maybe demon isn't as good. Once I tried 2 Drakes 2 VC and it lost me a reno proc quickly.

Added Frost for 3rd giant.

Still had some games against aggro that went badly with HL, but small sample so far and tweaks to be had.
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11-13-2015 , 09:26 AM
After testing Reno a bit last night I think it's unlikely it will be a thing right now. Too many games I just lost the board and never could recover due to having a lesser deck.

It will be super powerful on day 1/2 ladder to cure all the face cancer, but in normal meta I doubt it.

I still think Elise is more likely to be a meta breaker.
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11-13-2015 , 10:48 AM
I played my first constructed session in two months today after unlocking the new cards.

Made a super fun, greedy Mage grinder deck with all one offs and Reno/echo/duplicate/effigy/boom/ysera/antonidus/lots of draw/spells.

It might be terrible, hard to say as I was starting at rank 24. But went 9-0 and every match was a total whitewash.
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11-13-2015 , 10:54 AM
I went 5-1 with a Reno Rogue deck from rank 19 to 17 to clear quests, I wouldn't read much into results from those ranks.
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11-13-2015 , 10:57 AM
I am more impressed with Torch than Reno. Lol, a few tempo mages had a little extra burn waiting for me.
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11-13-2015 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by derwipok
I went 5-1 with a Reno Rogue deck from rank 19 to 17 to clear quests, I wouldn't read much into results from those ranks.
Yeah, I mean that's basically what I said. Just putting it out there incase it becomes the new meta. I play nothing but arena/brawls in general.
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11-13-2015 , 11:28 AM
I have no idea how a rogue Reno deck could be remotely good. Running only 1 backstab, evis or si would make the early game super bad.
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11-13-2015 , 11:36 AM
For Reno, keep in mind that your deck doesn't need to have only one of every card for its effect to proc. It needs only one of any card remaining when you play Reno. Source: the wiki says, "However, it is possible to add some duplicates, as long as the player is able to draw or discard them from the deck before playing Reno Jackson." http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Reno_Jackson

So you can play two backstabs and two si, because you're going to be playing them early anyway.

Someone did an analysis of the probability of being able to proc Reno based on how many duplicates you have:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone...use_with_reno/
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11-13-2015 , 11:40 AM
i am running him in priest. theres a lot of cards i like to run one of anyway in priest like shadow madness and shrinkmeister plus plenty that are good enough. reno lets you play additional control cards like thoughtsteal and ysera without getting runover by aggro.

the only 2x i have are northshire, pw shield, and sw death

first game he healed me from 6 against a warrior who went aggro alex + face attack on 9
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11-13-2015 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by D104
I have no idea how a rogue Reno deck could be remotely good. Running only 1 backstab, evis or si would make the early game super bad.
I doubt that the deck I threw together is any good but most of the players at rank 18/19 are pretty bad.
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11-13-2015 , 12:37 PM
What's your thinking behind the 2 ofs? I was watching life coach and he seemed to think having even one duplicate was pushing it.


Using super rough math I make it that after you've drawn half your deck you'll only have a reno that procs about 25% of the time if you run 3 duplicates. (3/4 to draw at least one copy of a duplicate, 3/4 cubed is 27/64, call it 1/2 to account for mulligans and roughly 1/2 to draw reno).
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11-13-2015 , 12:53 PM
agreed you shouldnt have any duplicates, and if you have to that probably means you probably shouldnt reno with that class
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11-13-2015 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Abysmal
What's your thinking behind the 2 ofs? I was watching life coach and he seemed to think having even one duplicate was pushing it.


Using super rough math I make it that after you've drawn half your deck you'll only have a reno that procs about 25% of the time if you run 3 duplicates. (3/4 to draw at least one copy of a duplicate, 3/4 cubed is 27/64, call it 1/2 to account for mulligans and roughly 1/2 to draw reno).
I posted a thread above that does the calculations:

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  • If you want a 50%+ chance of healing from Reno and have 2 pairs of duplicates, then you need 16 or fewer cards left. That chance is 95%+ once you have 5 cards left.
  • With 3 pairs of duplicates, 50%+ at 13 or fewer cards left, and 95%+ once you have 4 cards left.
  • With 4 pairs of duplicates, 50%+ at 11 or fewer cards left, and 95%+ once you have 3 cards left.
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11-13-2015 , 01:56 PM
The problem with running duplicates is that Reno has the most value on curve against aggro. If you are playing against an Arcane Golem sort of deck and you have Reno in your opening hand you just cannot lose, even if you have a deck that would be a solid underdog without Reno. I don't think there is any other card in any matchup that swings things that much.

If you run one duplicate and you look for it in the mulligan, your Reno is only about a 2-1 favorite to go off on curve.

Most of the cards that people run two ofs in normal decks are cards that beat up on aggressive decks and lose value in control match ups. When you run Reno you gain the ability to be light on anti-aggro cards and heavy on big value cards, most of which are legendary.
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11-13-2015 , 02:22 PM
I just healed for about 65 or so with Reno (as Mage obv) against a Dragon Priest.

Also had a MR Shaman prematurely "Sorry That Happened" as he dropped Loatheb thinking he had a lock on the game, to which I Reno'd him and came back to win.

Glad he was in the first wing, too fun.

Edit: Checked replay. 61 heal from Reno 23/14/24. Also gained 8 health from Barrier and he had to pop an iceblock when I was at 6.

Last edited by jhall23; 11-13-2015 at 02:30 PM.
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11-13-2015 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
i am running him in priest. theres a lot of cards i like to run one of anyway in priest like shadow madness and shrinkmeister plus plenty that are good enough. reno lets you play additional control cards like thoughtsteal and ysera without getting runover by aggro.

the only 2x i have are northshire, pw shield, and sw death

first game he healed me from 6 against a warrior who went aggro alex + face attack on 9
why not BGH instead of second SWD?
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11-13-2015 , 02:57 PM
yeah if you want reno to work in priest, he will work. def can make it work
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11-13-2015 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
why not BGH instead of second SWD?
maybe. ive played 2 games with it so not declaring that the optimal list
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11-13-2015 , 03:29 PM
Just ran into Reno druid. Idk if it was any good but he played Reno so I lost lol
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11-13-2015 , 03:33 PM
alright reno is now my favorite card

yes ill take full health and then start dropping legendary after legendary
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11-13-2015 , 03:37 PM
Auchenai Reno OTK combo though
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11-13-2015 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
alright reno is now my favorite card

yes ill take full health and then start dropping legendary after legendary
Yes this! Welcome back, Feugen and Stalagg!
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