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Standard is dead tbh. From now on I'm playing wild.

I'll play a ton more of wild once the rotation hits, though I'll probably have to use some of my dust on key GvG or TGT cards that I am missing. Notably Chillmaw.

I think if Ungoro doesn't blow the doors off the game and generate more excitement than I'm anticipating, you will see more and more people moving to Wild. I mean a TON of content is being rotated out, I just don't see how one 130-ish card xpac can replace it. I hope I'm wrong. I'm already having fun in Wild and have been since the meta got so awful and I don't see that changing.

Trump's latest video goes through what's rotating out and he speculates there how it will impact the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR5iNTXS5jI He warns ominously (and imho correctly) that it's going to be very bad for the game if even after the xpac jade and pirate continue to dominate the meta, and he seems convinced that those two archetypes really aren't losing all that much in the rotation.

They lose nothing.

They've trapped themselves in a corner here. Either they print cards whose power level blows the tits off jade/pirate/finja packages (horrible solution because these are already some of the most powerful cards ever printed and i cant even imagine a worse scenario), or they nerf those packages.

I suspect they'll learn absolutely nothing from this expansion and we'll have a really awful meta that they'll half heartedly try to fix a month before the summer expansion comes out. Maybe by the end of the year we'll have enough cards where it'll be ok but my thoughts are that theres no possible combination of 130 cards that can come out that make the meta exciting or fresh in any way whatsoever

Firebat said on stream the other week (prepatch) the strongest decks in wild are kazakus/reno and pirate warrior lol.

Baudib why does a deck that runs double cold blood, evis, and one shadowstep need a faceless manipulator? Leeroy shadowstep combo is same amount of damage but for less mana...

He's just clicking buttons is why.

it gives flexibility to a lot of combos.

It enables the 8-mana/20 damage Southsea Combo or an extra Murloc or double Edwin, etc.

PW will still be strong, especially if it gets anything. But Jade Druid is totally dependent on how many control decks and Renolocks are out there.

Renolock and Freeze Mage and Tank Up Warrior are going to be obsolete, and what they get replaced by is anyone's guess at this point.

You're losing Rag, Sylvanas, most of the important midrange dragons, Brann, Elise, Thaurissan, Aviana. Presumably Hunter will be strong with dinosaur beasts.

I don't see how you can possibly say the meta won't be totally different.

Also reno...

Kazakus lock?

i watched the trump vid. was like 40 mins long, most hs content ive watched in a long time. it was real good.

The strongest archetypes arent losing any cards. Their biggest counters are losing a ton of cards. Of course it won't be different, if anything it'll be worse.

they'd have to go hard to the paint on anti aggro and control tools, and they have made it pretty clear they aren't going in that direction.

According to the Tempo Storm meta snapshot, pirate warrior is the #1 deck in the game. After the rotation when tons of cards are leaving standard and the overall power level of the game is going down significantly pirate warrior is losing...sir finley. And that's it. Good luck Blizzard!

exactly and since ~december and maybe even shortly before MSOG came out, shaman was firmly keeping PW in check by itself. There was nothing else really that could hope to compete with it on ladder other than control warrior and that was terrible vs everything else.

aggro/mid shaman is going to be less of a thing and it's going to be more of a control playstyle now. they also lost a major source of healing and all their early game. I'm sure they'll pick up an early minion but blizz has to be shy about giving shaman anything like that right now.

maybe the quest cards will make PW obsolete in which case, eh i think the game will still be kinda awful to play. A quest meta will just be whoever draws best wins. Which is how it is now but at least there are some decisions to make other than "slam 7 deathrattles down win the game". when i saw that card i thought it was a troll but it was real. i'm sorry for being pessimistic but it doesn't look good to me. but like i said by the end of the year we'll have a lot of cards and maybe it'll be fresher. I don't anticipate playing a lot of HS this summer.

third edit: ****, i forgot about arena. i'll probably go into all out arena/collector mode like I did during the secret pally/combo druid era.

idk how im able to post positive winrates with tempo mage, renolock, miracle rogue, jade druid, jade shaman and mid shaman with how strong pirate warrior is. or how anyone makes legend who isn't playing pirate warrior.

there are bad matchups for pw. also i LIKE playing aggro decks so im fine with playing pw when i make my legend push later this month. what is inherently wrong with the deck? maybe its cause i started playing hs seriously last fall and missed the glory days of being able to play dr boom or whatever.

there is a lot of deck variety on ladder. pw is only 13% of decks according to vs. it's 23% r1 to r5 but it has bad matchups.

A lot of the PWs are really really bad

A hard counter is control warr but the the other half of ladder is jade druid and dragon priest so you cant really play that

why do you need to run a hard counter to less than 25% of your matchups but is crushed by everything else? can just run something like savjz renolock with the two pirates.

in before jade druid kills reno omg. its 55/45.

They could also print cards that directly counter pirates and jade. They could add a stronger hungry crab type card that targets pirates and possibly restores hero health. Or some other weapon removal that also targets pirates. The jade counter could be like eater of secrets but it eats jade. Though these types of counters would likely be added into pirate warrior and jade druid.

team5 should print some cheap aoe cards that counter low health minions to kill pirates kappa.

they could also create really fast archetypes or ones with lots of burst to counter jade. like a 20dmg from hand combo.

They continue to remove most of the combos. Next expansion, brann is out, so is power overwhelming, ice lance, anyfin. The only otkish combos will involve maly with Druid and rogue and priest unless they release some more combo cards. But with emperor going away those combos are going to be insanely tough to pull. I'm pretty sure it's why lifecoach is leaving. They want the game to be solely tempo which is less skillful then combo or other more complex play styles.

Ya shaman is losing a lot and I can see them collectively reasoning along the lines of, "We think Shaman is in a good spot now and do not feel that it needs any more tools blah blah" like they've done in the past with hunter, and shaman gets relegated back to its pre-TGT/LOE niche.

Of course, if they do that, then by the time WOG rotates out it will be unplayable, but that's fine some class has to be worse amirite?

I'm 69 wins from golden shaman so I'm pushing hard to get there before the rotation just in case it gets nothing.

Jadestone shaman is still going to be v strong

Hate the jade mechanic. It really suffocates any value orientated decks out and is incredibly boring.

jades are the dumbest thing they've ever brought into this game. it's even worse because they printed those cards without printing a real counter to them - the other two "factions" can't hope to compete, even kazakus.

The post-old gods meta was still the best, even before the yogg nerf. the reason it was awesome is because the broken decks disappeared, power levels dropped and we were forced to experiment with completely new archetypes/revive old ones. then they ramped up the power to the power of infinity in the next 2 expansions, so what do they do now? those cards aren't going away until next year. ugh.

i'd like karazhan/msog to rotate out and we keep the old sets.

if they wanted to bandaid this game they could introduce something like "ban x class" in ladder mode and that would do wonders for the meta. broken decks would be self containing - everyone starts banning PW and people queuing with PW only queue into counters to PW or other PW's. They stop playing it switch to something else. the meta would shift much more rapidly and in different ways than it does now.

I've always thought banning was a logical implementation.

New paladin quest reward card was semi revealed. 5 mana beast "Galvadon".

I think I would rather have severe diarrhea for a couple days than play a Jade, PW, or Reno deck. Is that why I'm not enjoying the game as much anymore?