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12-05-2016 , 11:45 AM
I'm heavily enjoying this meta so far.

Zero Jade or Pirate games played.
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12-05-2016 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by forthelulz60
It's a shame pirate warrior exists, I complained about the deck a few months ago already. I understand that blizzard wants to cater to the masses so there'll be extremely easy to play, strong, face decks forever but it's a very annoying deck for several reasons.

the games are decided so early that the decision tree is extremely small so rng is even more impactful (opening hand+upcoming draws).

I've played a lot of reno mage this month for a change and it's so sad when you compare reno mage mirrors (or against other control decks in general) to reno mage vs pirate warrior. I am ~6-0 in reno mage mirrors and every time it seemed like my opponents made noticable mistakes that I could capitalize on. Now against pirate warrior my decisions were almost non existant and neither were his. I get a good opening hand or reno? cool, I probably win. I don't? I probably lose.
I started on a low rank this month because I barely played hs last month and it's tilting to lose ~40% of my games to players who are a lot worse than me at this game. before I'd usually get to legend with a ~70% WR, this month, I'm struggling to maintain 65% at lower ranks because there's yet another brainless deck that any idiot can play well.

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subtle brags? meta is what a few days old--things will adjust. if pirate get's insanely out of control some things will be nerfed. feels like they want more decks to play taunt/heal to deal with all the aggro which didn't exist that much in the last meta--shaman had taunts but no heal. When people don't have many cards of course they will go with the cheap pirate warrior until more cards are earned. This has happened before--it was called face hunter and it was quickly ran out for a few metas.
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12-05-2016 , 12:13 PM
Midrange and aggro Hunter, which basically crush Control Warrior, is almost non-existent on the laser and yet there are no Control Warriors.

That's how goofy the meta is right now.
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12-05-2016 , 12:26 PM
pretty sure midrange shaman will be back to 30%+ of the ladder in a week or 2
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12-05-2016 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
subtle brags?
wasn't even that subtle, point is winrate wise in constructed and arena I'm probably top 10 or 20 in EU in the ladder/arena format so I have a pretty good idea of what the meta currently looks like, how refined the decks are and how the meta is going to change. if you check my posting history you'll notice that I was right on pretty much every prediction I made with regards to strong cards/decks in the past.
I'm not just "whining" about a deck because I don't know how to counter it and wanted to clarify this before the first person posts a warrior deck with 4x armorsmith and justicar and tells me how he has a 75% winrate vs pirate warrior.

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meta is what a few days old--things will adjust. if pirate get's insanely out of control some things will be nerfed. feels like they want more decks to play taunt/heal to deal with all the aggro which didn't exist that much in the last meta--shaman had taunts but no heal. When people don't have many cards of course they will go with the cheap pirate warrior until more cards are earned. This has happened before--it was called face hunter and it was quickly ran out for a few metas.
this is the problem. blizzard isn't exactly known for changing things quickly. also reno decks work opposite to what you expect when it comes to deck building, they actually allow for less variety. there will be a dragon and a non dragon version of reno mage/priest and these lists will be ~4 cards different to what you see right now, a few days after release.

the main issue is that unless you make your deck awful against other control decks, youll be stuck losing to some monkeys who do nothing but send everything to your face rougly 40% of the time. If this deck didn't exist we could have fun matches of hearthstone, as described in my previous post.
so to see people say this deck is fine is pretty tilting
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12-05-2016 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Nonfiction
pretty sure midrange shaman will be back to 30%+ of the ladder in a week or 2
yeah

also, are we sure dragon priest is actually better than dragon warrior? FWA still a prettay good card
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12-05-2016 , 12:52 PM
There are some aggro shaman builds that are apparently insanely good. Zothkar tweeted his and it was 41-3 or something.
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12-05-2016 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Anyone who is familiar with Blizzard games in general: Is it possible to merge two accounts into one? My WoW stuff (not that that matters) and Diablo III and SC 2 purchases and progress are on a different account from my HotS and HS games. I have no ****ing idea why I did that but I did and now I have regrets. It's a pain to log out and in every time I want to switch games.
I bought wow and sc2 on 2 different accounts and merged them about 4 years ago. Not sure if it will work with the f2p games.
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12-05-2016 , 01:05 PM
I dont see the problem with pirate warrior it doesnt look OP at all.
I prolly see one out of 6 at rank 19 .
ive been watching savj for hours playing reno decks at rank 1-2 on EU and its like 1 out of 4 or 5 is pirate warrior.
and it doesnt seems that bad of a matchup.

why all the fuse?
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12-05-2016 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by g-bebe
There are some aggro shaman builds that are apparently insanely good. Zothkar tweeted his and it was 41-3 or something.

im bad and been greedy but dont think i could have beaten that curve.
turn 3 coin the 4 murlocs turn 4 the +1 +1 +everythin is awesome
turn 5 bloodlust obv
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12-05-2016 , 01:13 PM
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12-05-2016 , 01:20 PM
maybe slight exaggeration but defender of argus might be the best card in the game right now

so far off the top of my head i've seen it in aggro pally, mid pally, dragon priest, reno priest, pirate/aggro rogue, renolock, zoo, egg/token druid, etc
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12-05-2016 , 01:23 PM
I just lost to a pirate warrior who had a pretty standard list except he ran MALCHEEZAR. Not sure if I should be more annoyed or ashamed.
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12-05-2016 , 01:39 PM
lol that freeze mage list has about 0% chance against pirate warrior

enjoy using ice lance and frostbolt to freeze face to not die but losing your win condition and wasting everyones time
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12-05-2016 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by g-bebe
There are some aggro shaman builds that are apparently insanely good. Zothkar tweeted his and it was 41-3 or something.
I tried it out... went like 10-7. It didn't seem that amazing but I could just be terrible with it. He certainly experienced EXTREMELY positive variance with it.
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12-05-2016 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
lol that freeze mage list has about 0% chance against pirate warrior

enjoy using ice lance and frostbolt to freeze face to not die but losing your win condition and wasting everyones time
currently 1-0 vs the pirate warriors. lul sample size
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12-05-2016 , 02:46 PM
savjz has won like 10 in a row AFTER being #1 legend already...

with renolock
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12-05-2016 , 02:51 PM
i play savjz renolock at rank 18 and the first deck i queue is a control freeze mage. seriously fu blizz. got owned from 31 life (30 + 1 armor)......
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12-05-2016 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by forthelulz60
It's a shame pirate warrior exists, I complained about the deck a few months ago already. I understand that blizzard wants to cater to the masses so there'll be extremely easy to play, strong, face decks forever but it's a very annoying deck for several reasons.

the games are decided so early that the decision tree is extremely small so rng is even more impactful (opening hand+upcoming draws).

I've played a lot of reno mage this month for a change and it's so sad when you compare reno mage mirrors (or against other control decks in general) to reno mage vs pirate warrior. I am ~6-0 in reno mage mirrors and every time it seemed like my opponents made noticable mistakes that I could capitalize on. Now against pirate warrior my decisions were almost non existant and neither were his. I get a good opening hand or reno? cool, I probably win. I don't? I probably lose.
I started on a low rank this month because I barely played hs last month and it's tilting to lose ~40% of my games to players who are a lot worse than me at this game. before I'd usually get to legend with a ~70% WR, this month, I'm struggling to maintain 65% at lower ranks because there's yet another brainless deck that any idiot can play well.

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great post
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12-05-2016 , 03:07 PM
reno decks are brainless and played by monkeys that can only play reno on 6 and fill their deck with garbage cards otherwise

whoa, I can do it too.
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12-05-2016 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
reno decks are brainless and played by monkeys that can only play reno on 6 and fill their deck with garbage cards otherwise

whoa, I can do it too.
Yeah because this is remotely true. Why would anyone possibly want to think about plays and strategies for different matchups when they can aim for ZE FACE and end games by t6?
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12-05-2016 , 03:29 PM
yeah it takes so much skill to play jade golems and pirates and point to face.

The cabal is like the only thing keeping skill in the game atm.
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12-05-2016 , 03:36 PM
Is Reno Cthun even remotely a thing now?

I don't think I've seen Cthun all season
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12-05-2016 , 03:37 PM
been tinkering round with reno shadowform priest. running some old inspire cards that I really have fun playing with but never saw any play (Paletress/nexus/kodorider) because it does so well with a 0 mana hero power.

it's like 50/50 with jade druid and boy does it suck against pirate warrior. there's just no tech in the game that can deal with muster for pirates on turn 1 every single game. Patches is straight up busted, should just be removed from the game. It allows the warrior to have such a busted early game every single game they don't draw him in their mulligan. hearthstone is such a snowbally game that giving a deck that level of consistency from a card they don't need to even play or have in their hand just wrecks the game imo.
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12-05-2016 , 04:20 PM
Renolock probably has the highest skillcap of any deck other than freeze rn

And freeze is actually ok in this meta
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