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11-20-2016 , 01:10 AM
I'm of the opinion Justicar (via Warrior) has inflicted more misery on the Hearthstone community than any other card in history. I'd rather have charging molten giants back. 4 Armor Tank Up is just the single worst thing ever done in HS. It's not even that it's OP, it's just finger nails on a chalkboard, win or lose.
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11-20-2016 , 01:35 AM
Thats a big claim when cards like piloted shredder existed. Or dr boom, minibot, mysterious challenger... i have nightmares!

I like Justicar!
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11-20-2016 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
No
you need a counter card to say this!

id say thaurissan too (with reno) because of all it enables in decks that can cycle

pyro has the benefit of being much harder to balance and have a unique property for a 2 drop that you can have two of.
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11-20-2016 , 10:05 AM
If pyromancer were so good then the decks that rely most on it (control Priest, Control Paladin) wouldn't be Tier 4 decks and the Tier 2 decks that are losing to shamans (like Maly Druid) would be running it. Rogue, with its cheap spells and lack of AoE would be running it.

I disagree that Justicar is well designed; I'd bet a lot that the game designers thought every class would benefit from it, instead of it being a defining card in a single class archetype.

Best designed cards:

Imp Gang Boss -- so good it's one of the most important cards in Zoo and Renolock, which couldn't be more different from each other.

Fiery War Axe -- Staple in every Warrior archetype

Reno Jackson -- Unique effect, usable in multiple classes, meta defining.

Alexstrasza -- Terrific and versatile, can be heal or used to push lethal.
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11-20-2016 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
I'm of the opinion Justicar (via Warrior) has inflicted more misery on the Hearthstone community than any other card in history. I'd rather have charging molten giants back. 4 Armor Tank Up is just the single worst thing ever done in HS. It's not even that it's OP, it's just finger nails on a chalkboard, win or lose.
I love and hate that card. Without it I think warrior takes a big hit.

so far maintaining 70% WR with MR shaman lul so balanced

also running kinda bad and missing lethals like crazy. i could see a top player maintaining like 80%+ with this deck.

Last edited by jmakin; 11-20-2016 at 11:34 AM.
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11-20-2016 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
If pyromancer were so good then the decks that rely most on it (control Priest, Control Paladin) wouldn't be Tier 4 decks and the Tier 2 decks that are losing to shamans (like Maly Druid) would be running it. Rogue, with its cheap spells and lack of AoE would be running it.

I disagree that Justicar is well designed; I'd bet a lot that the game designers thought every class would benefit from it, instead of it being a defining card in a single class archetype.

Best designed cards:

Imp Gang Boss -- so good it's one of the most important cards in Zoo and Renolock, which couldn't be more different from each other.

Fiery War Axe -- Staple in every Warrior archetype

Reno Jackson -- Unique effect, usable in multiple classes, meta defining.

Alexstrasza -- Terrific and versatile, can be heal or used to push lethal.
"good card" doesnt always equal "good design"

pyro is great design. war axe is obviously good but extremely bland (not that there dont need to be bland cards)

agree on reno and alex being good design.

discover overall is a great design mechanic
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11-20-2016 , 02:16 PM


Really like this one
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11-20-2016 , 02:25 PM
Really surprised that isn't a rogue card.
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11-20-2016 , 02:43 PM
I have no sense at all of how many coins that guy is going to get you. Maybe like .5 coins on average?

I think you probably need to get like 1.25 coins on average to break even if you're not running Auctioneer. With Gadget maybe it's something like .5 coins, but your opponent knows you're running Gadget so you're less likely to get the coin. I'm going with too close to call on this card. Azure Drake is p tough competition at 5 in Gadget decks.
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11-20-2016 , 02:51 PM
Who besides Rogue really benefits from having extra coins? Obv they all do but does this enable more Gadgetzan in other decks?
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11-20-2016 , 03:01 PM
It's not totally crazy to run Gadget in Druid, people will try packaging him with this new guy
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11-20-2016 , 03:06 PM
I think it'd be really easy to get milled if you play that card
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11-20-2016 , 07:03 PM
That card is more likely to see play in a post-Thaurissan world where it will be a much less reliable activator for certain combos like Leeroy + Faceless + PO or Brann + Doomcaller.
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11-20-2016 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
"good card" doesnt always equal "good design"

pyro is great design. war axe is obviously good but extremely bland (not that there dont need to be bland cards)

agree on reno and alex being good design.

discover overall is a great design mechanic
Discover is terrific, I think everyone would like to see more discover cards.

I guess it depends on what you mean by great design. Obviously FWA is very simple but that's the beauty of it. It's extremely powerful yet balanced; it's a must-have 2x but no one is screaming for it to be nerfed (like Spirit Claws).
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11-20-2016 , 08:25 PM
wild pyro is a really well designed card imo
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11-20-2016 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
It's extremely powerful yet balanced; it's a must-have 2x but no one is screaming for it to be nerfed (like Spirit Claws).
this is completely wrong
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11-20-2016 , 08:58 PM
no, it's exactly correct.
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11-20-2016 , 08:59 PM
wtf happened to the meta? I'm playing nzoth warrior and literally half my matchups are secret hunters.

Feels like I have less chance vs them than freeze mage has vs me.
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11-20-2016 , 09:00 PM
Yeah, FWA is for sure OP. It is not what I would call a balanced card.

Like, there have been a bunch of 3/2 3 mana weapons with upside. FWA is better than all of them by a mile.
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11-20-2016 , 09:13 PM
Priest 2 drop looks good.
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11-20-2016 , 09:40 PM
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Priest 2 drop looks good.


Oxymoron
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11-20-2016 , 09:42 PM
Tons of people were complaining about FWA when warrior was atop the meta pre-spirit claws
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11-20-2016 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk


Really like this one
Ooooo, this is a cool card. It has a big ass, so you can usually get a coin out of it, I think. Especially in rogue which is pretty good at keeping the board clean. My prediction is that this will be played as a 3rd 5drop in rogue. I think azure drake is a bit better, and you probably wont find room for 4 5drops.
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11-20-2016 , 10:05 PM
^ agree 100%

Like that it has 6 health too, I think that is gonna be a key number with the new priest and warlock AOEs.
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11-20-2016 , 10:07 PM
Also would like to see some mechanic where rogue can turn coins into something more than just gadgetzan card draw.
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