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02-07-2009 , 06:42 PM
So I play Limit HE with the in-laws every once in a while and these people are calling stations. I would guess their VPIP is around 80% And PFR is a little 10%. NO ONES FOLDING ON A PREFLOP RAISE EVER. Just basic recreational players.

That being said, im guessing i should just see the flop for the price of the big blind with suited cards/Connectors because i know im not going to get raised and my pot odds/implied odds are so great. And fold when i dont hit.

Dont over value AK,AQ because they will play stupid hands like 27o and 5To and get it two paired. and AK and AQ is good cards heads up, but not in a multi way pot (which it is 95% of the time)

it is the first time i played the home game after finishing a couple of books so im much more informed than i was a couple months ago. Hopefully i will see the impacts it has made on my game
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02-07-2009 , 06:47 PM
Play well! Win!
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02-07-2009 , 08:50 PM
Throw the book knowledge away for the home game. They will be playing every hand no matter what the cards are. It is much more important to get to know the players' traits than it is to figure out pot odds, etc.
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02-07-2009 , 10:16 PM
I think you need to focus on your post-flop play. Remember not to slow play in position, raise to isolate, and work the free card play. Also, try to read your opponents. In small stakes limit games, you can still apply tells.
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02-07-2009 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Precept2
I think you need to focus on your post-flop play. Remember not to slow play in position, raise to isolate, and work the free card play. Also, try to read your opponents. In small stakes limit games, you can still apply tells.

I doubt i can raise to isolate unless im in position and someone raises before me, which is RARELY. so if i raise its only going to make it 2 bets to see the flop, and play this loose, no ones gonna fold for just an extra bet. And how can i read my opponents when their hand range is possibly anything?

Im thinking of just playing connectors and suited cards, fold if i miss the flop, Raise for value when im drawing one more card. i'll see how it ends up tonight
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02-07-2009 , 11:28 PM
You can play a lot of hands for one bet, but not for two. If it's two, you need a compelling reason to raise. Remember there's a huge difference between a flop bet and a turn bet.
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02-07-2009 , 11:51 PM
Bottom line, this is a card catching contest and most strategy goes right out the window, because every hand will go to showdown. Your only ideal worry is saving bets when you're sure you're behind, and making sure to valuetown the life out of your big hands when you do flop them.
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02-08-2009 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Bottom line, this is a card catching contest and most strategy goes right out the window,
That is a bunch of crap, there is still a ton of strategy used in loose no-foldem limit games. The key is to strongly value bet your good draws. Say you flop the nut flush draw, which will arrive on the river 1 in 3 times.. but you have 5 opponents staying in the hand till the end - so you want to RAISE RAISE RAISE those kinds of draws, get as much $$ in the pot as you can so when that 1 in 3 card does finally hit you'll scoop a monster pot. Go read Ed Miller's Small Stakes Holdem for more info on these concepts and other strategies used in beating loose LHE games.
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02-08-2009 , 09:31 AM
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And how can i read my opponents when their hand range is possibly anything?
Honestly although their range can be anything, I've always found it way easier to get reads at low fixed limit hold'em. First because the players are generally a lot weaker and mY not even realize they're doing it. And secondly they probably don't care all that much. I dealt low fixed limit hold'em for a lot of years and it always boggled my mind how often players would shake their heads or grimace or even swear when they missed a flop or a draw. Look for these types of tells to help you when you're playing this limit.
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02-08-2009 , 12:27 PM
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That is a bunch of crap, there is still a ton of strategy used in loose no-foldem limit games. The key is to strongly value bet your good draws. Say you flop the nut flush draw, which will arrive on the river 1 in 3 times.. but you have 5 opponents staying in the hand till the end - so you want to RAISE RAISE RAISE those kinds of draws, get as much $$ in the pot as you can so when that 1 in 3 card does finally hit you'll scoop a monster pot. Go read Ed Miller's Small Stakes Holdem for more info on these concepts and other strategies used in beating loose LHE games.
Dynamite drop in. It would be even better if the 2nd sentence of my post didn't already cover this. I'm well aware of how low LHE works, I don't need you telling me to go read a book on beating a game in which, when raked, nobody alive could win in anyway. Thank you though.
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02-08-2009 , 05:17 PM
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Dynamite drop in. It would be even better if the 2nd sentence of my post didn't already cover this. I'm well aware of how low LHE works, I don't need you telling me to go read a book on beating a game in which, when raked, nobody alive could win in anyway. Thank you though.
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02-09-2009 , 09:24 AM
Just play ABC poker.
Since it's your family though you might just try and have a little fun.
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02-09-2009 , 09:31 AM
Bluff big and often...
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02-09-2009 , 09:53 AM
Yeah, if you're approaching a game you'd characterize as "super loose", "family", and "limit" and you're putting too much thought into it... don't. Goal #1 should be to have fun. If you're even half decent at LHE, more than enough strategy than you need to keep a stack / win a few bucks will come to you as you play... I mean, I assume you're playing this particular game more to enjoy it and less to pocket everyone's loose change. I assume I'll get corrected by someone for saying such an anti-max-ev thing, but if you're even slightly paying attention to the players' favorite things to play/draw for, more strategy than anyone else uses = enough.
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02-09-2009 , 12:39 PM
To sum up:
Bring money.
Drink excessively.
See every flop.
Fold if you need 2 outers.
Fold if you need 1 outer and 2 people raise ahead of you.
If you see the river, it is too late to fold, raise if you hit, call if you didn't.
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02-09-2009 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tekcor1
Honestly although their range can be anything, I've always found it way easier to get reads at low fixed limit hold'em. First because the players are generally a lot weaker and mY not even realize they're doing it. And secondly they probably don't care all that much. I dealt low fixed limit hold'em for a lot of years and it always boggled my mind how often players would shake their heads or grimace or even swear when they missed a flop or a draw. Look for these types of tells to help you when you're playing this limit.
Just played sunday night and this guy was right about them being so obvious. They actually TELL me that they are chasing. TPTK i bet the max and just fold when the turn and river help the straight and flush draws because i know thats what they were trying to catch.

After reading the books, i categorized them with the Tight,lose/passive aggressive. Made money off my dad (MANIAC NOOB) max caps the bet with BOTTOM PAIR. I played middle pair and of course TPTK and beat him almost every time.

Yeah you guys are right, im not trying to empty their pockets or anything, i just wanted to show them the difference between a "luck" player and a "skilled" (somewhat) player

They cracked jokes on my pre flop aggression (my AK trying to get the chasers to pay me off if they didnt catch) though and every raise turned into the question "did the book tell you to that?" i just laughed. and they ended up learning and playing AK aggressively on preflop also. Fun night all in all.

THANKS FOR EVERYONES REPLYS!
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02-09-2009 , 10:12 PM
Great, glad it worked!

One question... why are you trying to prove anything to them? Be part of the party and quietly collect chips. "Gee, I guess I got lucky again, guys..." It's like magic, you gotta point 'em one way while you're doing something the other way. Showing them the dove in your pants will cause them to tire more quickly.
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02-09-2009 , 11:33 PM
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Great, glad it worked!

One question... why are you trying to prove anything to them? Be part of the party and quietly collect chips. "Gee, I guess I got lucky again, guys..." It's like magic, you gotta point 'em one way while you're doing something the other way. Showing them the dove in your pants will cause them to tire more quickly.
Hmm i dunno. i guess its because i had that image of "the guy whos always knocked out first" which i was back then. i didnt really get in their faces about anything. i was pretty quiet, only laughing to the stories and such. I was part of the party, just not spewing chips anymore.
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02-09-2009 , 11:54 PM
This would be a delicious game to play in no limit. How about you tell your in-laws to start playing no limit. Hustle your family lol... convince them that no limit is way better.
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