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09-09-2009 , 09:10 AM

jlcyates

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I got a invite to a juicy home game with a bunch of rich old guys. I feel that I am a much better player than 90% of them in hold-em. The problem is they play half the games omaha h/l split. I do not have a advantage over them in this game as they all like to see every flop and are pretty much going to call you down with any draw. So I just wait for big hands.

Is it worth it to play in this game if I only have an advantage 50% of the time or play in my normal hold-em game?

P.S. its not that I mind playing omaha, just the way they play it its like pulling a slot maichine and hoping you hit the jackpot.

also this game has a small rake of a buck a hand.

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09-09-2009 , 11:32 AM

FlyingPanda

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handselection and make em pay for draws

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09-09-2009 , 01:00 PM

pfapfap

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It's unfortunate that they won't set up a system for you where you can beat them regularly.

They're doing you a favor by inviting you. Show respect and play all the games. And don't whine about it while you're there.

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09-09-2009 , 01:32 PM

G twizzle

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I host a home game which usually rotates between Hold Em, PLO and Stud. Recently, the guys have been requesting more and more split pot games. Like you, I thought I had an edge in Hold em and preferred to play it above the other games but you soon realize that players who make mistakes in NLHE make even bigger mistakes is split pot games.
Read a book, read a chapter, probably even just a paragraph and then go enjoy the game.

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09-09-2009 , 01:33 PM

jlcyates

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

WHO said anything about not showing repect to them?

I have never said a word to them about this and don't plan to. I don't sit out the games of omaha I just usually fold if I don't hit the flop huge.

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09-09-2009 , 02:11 PM

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Heh, okay, perhaps I was a little extreme, and reading it now I get a different flavor to your OP. Sorry about that.

Sounds like you're doing fine, then. Continue crushing Hold'em, and maybe along the way you'll pick up some things about Omaha. If you're enjoying yourself, play. If you're not, don't.

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09-09-2009 , 04:47 PM

psandman

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Originally Posted by jlcyates

I do not have a advantage over them in this game as they all like to see every flop and are pretty much going to call you down with any draw.

If you don't have an advantage over these players who exactly do you think you can beat?

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09-09-2009 , 04:56 PM

jlcyates

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Originally Posted by psandman

If you don't have an advantage over these players who exactly do you think you can beat?

I am only an average Omaha player. I do have an advantage over these players in hold-em which they play half the time.

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09-09-2009 , 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jlcyates

I am only an average Omaha player. I do have an advantage over these players in hold-em which they play half the time.

I believe his point is that, as an average player, you should already have an advantage over the type of player you describe.

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09-09-2009 , 06:44 PM

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dismalstudent99

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O8 should be really profitable for you if you play tight in a loose game. In fact, it it should be both +EV and low variance if you play right.

Read up on it and nutpeddle.

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09-10-2009 , 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jlcyates

how do u not have an advantage on them???

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09-10-2009 , 09:06 AM

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jlcyates

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Originally Posted by globetrotter

how do u not have an advantage on them???

maybe I do if your saying all I need to do is wait for a big hand.
Is raising (say pot) with say aa23 suited still a good idea if I still get 6 callers? ( this happened more than once). I've tried this and end up playing a huge hand and folding to flops like 8 10 10 rainbow.

this is where I need to learn more about omaha.

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09-10-2009 , 09:11 AM

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jlcyates

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By the way I'm the only one that raises in the omaha game and was asked ( away from table by host) that most of the other players didn't like this and I should just limp.

This is the kinda passive game I'm talking about.

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09-10-2009 , 10:06 AM

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G twizzle

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Originally Posted by jlcyates

In my game when the guys really come to play it doesn't matter what size the pre flop raise is everyone, and I do mean everyone, calls. The only chance you have for picking up pots preflop is if you pot it from the BB. If they call you now have to play the pot out of position, usually against seven players.

Fold marginal hands up front, limp along in position and play poker after the flop. If it gets short handed then you can start raising and apologize afterwards, saying that you forgot and it was just force of habit.

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09-10-2009 , 12:07 PM

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Hatliz

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It's established that OP is invited to a juicy game which he crushes. Both NLHE and PLO8.

NEXT!

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09-10-2009 , 12:55 PM

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thrasher789

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PLO8 in those loose games is painfully easy just play like a super nit preflop and wait to quarter people or get a great overlay in some spot (hand select towards hands that go well both hi and lo only)

and if you can crush in holdem and essentially breakeven or lose just a few blinds in PLO8 you should still obv play

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09-10-2009 , 01:23 PM

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Spimp

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If your gonna wait for AA23 ds to raise... well its more rare than starting AAA in stud... Ive been playing PLO8, O8 and NLO8 for a few years now and hold em players suck at o8 my man... Even SS has a decent chapter on it. Play fewer hands but BE AGGRSIVE with made hands,good draws and nut draws esp and P R O F I T!

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09-11-2009 , 05:50 PM

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I think the crux of the question is "what's my obligation to play the Omaha hands" - and the answer to that is, "Yeah, you're obligated" -- especially if you intend to be a winner at Hold'em.

As I said in a similar thread, you want people sticking around, drawing to lows. I wish people would play more pots with me simply trying to get their money back while I played for the whole pot.

Brush up on your game. Play a couple thousand hands of micro-limit O8 or PLO8 (whichever it was), and join them in the game where they feel as though they have an advantage over you.

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09-12-2009 , 01:35 PM

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I think the crux of the question is "what's my obligation to play the Omaha hands" - and the answer to that is, "Yeah, you're obligated" --

In most situations, I wouldn't say this should be the 'rule' (OP is a bit different).

If people want to sit out a rotation of a game, let'em! They're at the table and maybe they'll get bored....

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09-12-2009 , 05:57 PM

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dismalstudent99

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I disagree.

At the very least, it is bad form to consistently sit out of a game in a mixed rotation. It's potentially insulting to the host and the players. You're invited to play a game. So play it.

In fact, on FullTilt, it is a rule, at least for the high stakers. Admins can suspend accounts for strategically sitting out. As they should. One of the purposes of mixed games is to blunt edges of specialists. By sitting out, you're defeating one of the major purposes of it.

Finally, sitting out just makes you look like a nit (which you will be). And I wouldn't be surprised if people have contempt for you if you do this.

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09-12-2009 , 06:08 PM

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Lottery Larry

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Originally Posted by dismalstudent99

Oh, personally I agree and wouldn't sit out, for the most part.

However, when you're trying to get players, who are newer to some of the games and therefore reluctant, to get involved in a rotation.... letting them get comfortable may be your best shot.

If they're not at the table, you have NO chance of getting them sucked into the other games. If they're at the table, however....

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09-12-2009 , 07:52 PM

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thrasher789

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yeah sitting out is just super nitty and I already pretty much explained there is no reason to sit out since they are probably overall not sound fundamentally read online about general O8 strategy and you should be able to breakeven against them

if positive winrate in NL > negative winrate in O8 you should play and if in fact it's something huge like

Nl: 10BB/100 vs. O8. -1BB/100 it would be a crime not to sit in and play the game with them (sitting out always strikes me as rude/nitty)

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09-12-2009 , 11:41 PM

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Youngunpoker

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just keep doing what your doing, easy game IMO

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11-06-2009 , 05:57 PM

#24

RUhungry

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Originally Posted by jlcyates

Learn Omaha, its the new Holdem. People are dumping a ton of money online on learning Omaha.

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11-06-2009 , 06:59 PM

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Davdob

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Yeah, but he also basically described the ideal strat for crushing a loose o8 game, which is where the bemusement is coming from.

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