Note to self: "Edit Wikipedia later."

I read the same article, and, essentially, disagree. While I agree that technically, any one-outer is a "gutshot," I'll personally reserve using it to describe hitting something in "the middle."

I agree. Word flow, poetic license.

I think "inside" is okay. Think of the Ace as the "end" of the hand, so if you need the Ace, it's still "inside" the open part of the hand. In other words, you're inside the can, but next to the closed part. If you need the Ten, though, I dunno what to call it.

I call it a gutshot anytime only one rank can complete the straight. But a RF draw is a RF draw - in that case gutshot is redundant.

Mine are pretty simple, but pretty inclusive.

(1) People who can't deal even semi-competently (i.e., pitch without flipping cards, deal flop-turn-river promptly and properly, conduct the action, keep track of bets and pot size if applicable); and
(2) people who should know but can't bring themselves to follow proper etiquette (e.g., "fastrolling" showdowns or promptly announcing your hand if you were caught bluffing, keeping bets in front of you, keeping your hands out of the pot unless you're the dealer, minimizing table talk that could affect the action, etc.).

Like precept said, you wouldn't really know this stuff bothers me, but the world would be a better place if people who enjoy playing poker would make a conscious effort to help their fellow players and the game instead of thinking only of their own instant gratification. (The most common example in this thread that people mentioned was the dealer looking at the card before exposing it to the table.)

Agree with the above, especially the second one. If there's an inexperienced player, it should be obvious. And that person should be coddled within reason to make them comfortable and to make sure they're having a good time. It's OK to gently explain the rule AND explain the reasoning behind the rule, but never ever make a new player feel uncomfortable.

I agree except to the extent that people who text without slowing down the game should not be bothered about it.

LOL, ICWUDT.

Excellent idea. I will try to suggest this to one of the games I play in.

Agreed, but as pfapfap has pointed out many times to me and others, you have to be careful how you "help" your fellow players. Sometimes they take it the wrong way and get PO'd, other times they get offended when "we've been playing this way forever" and Joe Newguy comes in and tries to get them to stop predealing the board or start racing chips at color-up.

If the game is +++EV (financially, socially, or both), I've learned to overlook some of the little things that would otherwise bug the snot out of me.

I really don't have a problem with texting/surfing at the table. It's +EV for me when others aren't paying attention. What bothers me are those who don't stop when they're in a hand ("Bob, it's your action. BOB!") and those who take or make calls while at the table.

If you're on a call and in a hand, notify your next of kin.

How about placing the turn card and river card at opposite ends of the flop? Pet peeve of mine.

We play a lot of hi/low stud variants and worse yet is the home game dealer/commentator who not only looks at every card before flipping it up on board but also has to give a little running monologue to each player : "oh, your not gonna like this", "you might want o kiss me now", "remember this one when its your turn to deal" etc ad nauseum.

AW

[x] Me not seeing the word "royal" (like an idiot)

Oh...taking it to another level!

This reminds of the joke emails I get, where you scroll down for the punchline and there is something like "are you ready for this?" or "you're going to love this" or some such line. Totally ruins the timing. You'll never hear a comedian doing that.

That reminds me of a guy I used to play with who would re-arrange the board cards into sequential order as he dealt them. He'd do the same with the turn and river cards. Drove me crazy, and I wanted to say something countless times but then I realized that to him, it didn't really matter what order the cards came out, as he was only playing his hand and not worrying about what each bet represent.

In the game I play, we all take turns dealing. Sometimes we get talkative players, and once they start telling a story, and the action comes to them, everything ****ing stops (the worst is when they are the dealer) for 5 minutes while they tell their boring ass bad beat/online is rigged story, and you have to basically yell at them "hey can we keep the game going please?" otherwise the game is never gonna move again.

After two times of this getting me unnecessarily riled up, I must confess a pet peeve: people who stop cash games to run a tournament, and then have no clue how to set up and structure the tournament.

It may not have irritated me as much this time if they hadn't asked me for advice and help, and then disregarded everything I said.

Playing "dealer calls" the game, assuming the game isn't crazy ... Hold'Em, Omaha, etc ... One guy's been playing sane, limit games all night, but gets way behind. So he calls "Jacks or better, Trips to win."

What sometimes happens @ our weekly homegame, is that a player (who's actually a good friend of mine), pushes down your stack if you just beat him. He's kinda frustrated I guess, and just pushes down your stacks of 10/20 chips. Almost kicked his ass for it.

"Awesome, now I get to pretend like I just won an even bigger pot! I love stacking chips!"

And mean it.

A couple of the ladies in my weekly game will do this to my stack when I beat them out of a pot - just reach over and knock all my chips into a pile. They know I like my chips neatly stacked, and it's half-flirty, half-"FU for taking my chips" when they do it.

I laugh, and sometimes use it as an opportunity to steal the blinds on the next hand. I pretend to be distracted while stacking my chips, look at my cards and put in a big raise, then go back to stacking.

I would classify myself as a pysco when it comes to running my home game. We have this dildo who plays with us sometimes and he will bet the river with the nuts, get called, sigh, say," what do you have?" and the person will turn over their hand. Then, the dildo will turn over one card, such as the 5 and then after 5 seconds turn over the A for the nut flush. After this happened the first time, I proceeded to type up a sign and post it on the wall that says," A player must table their hand immediately after being called on the river. Any player not tabling their hand immediately ater being called will be ejected immediately from casino."

I put that sign right next to the "Any player who looks at another player's hand after that player declares 'muck' will be forced to leave, regardless."

While it's good to knock this kind of stuff off, I've found that establishing more rules only makes the dildoes look for other things about which to be dildoes. I prefer to take the wind out of their sails.

"Oh, here he comes with a slowroll again! Where are the TV cameras?"

Also, try not to get too worked up over it yourself. Whenever anybody derives pleasure from things that have nothing to do with the actual play of poker, that's good for you. They're not there to win, they're there to showboat. Try to keep it to a minimum, but recognize that this is a sign of a lack of sophistication about the game, which is what you want in your opponents.

pfap, you are cold and heartless. i like it.

+1

Hehe, yeah true. I'll remember the line!

But it isn't only frustrating for me, the entire table is on hold for a while, since the chips are all over the felt. If you sit in the middle of the table, it's almost impossible to deal, etc...

If you're finding it difficult to quickly stand up and scoop the chips to your area of the table to stack during the next hand, then you need to remove the beer bottles, sandwiches, phones, music players, sunglasses, cigarettes, bowls, lighters, canisters, and whatever else you have sitting in front of you.

The table is the playing surface. We play with chips and cards. That's what's on the table. Everything else goes on a side table or in a bag or pocket.

So where do you keep your bong?

Far, far away from the land of drunken clumsiness.

Well, there's a policy that we only HAVE chips on the table, everything else is left on some small tables/chairs next to our table. Incl. drinks, smokes, phones,...

What i meant was the fact that if he pushes a stack down, the chips roll between everybody's chips, sometimes off the table,... It slows things down for a while, that's all.