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01-17-2014 , 07:16 PM
Most of my 'home' poker has been played in local lounges. We've been in a few different places, with mostly the same gang. A couple weeks ago, I returned to one lounge after a hiatus there of a few years (long, unrelated story).

I introduced the owner/player to OFC, and we played for money for the first time last night. He's a good SSNL player, and took to OFC pretty quickly, although still has a bit more to learn than I do.

In the interest of playing like I play on the iPad, I told him about bonus hands and fantasyland (FL). The chart I used is at the bottom.

He wanted to play for money, I didn't want to clean him out in one hand, and proposed capping payouts per hand. I was thinking 20 units was plenty to win on one single hand, but he declined and off we went.

Unfortunately, I don't know the fine print. On my suggestion, we skipped paying 6 pairs or no broadway cards (we didn't hit any naturals anyway).

For those that play, do you cap wins per hand?

When he ran low on chips (I crushed him most of the session), he dug into his pocket to finish paying off a big hand. I assume that's standard for OFC.

I did get FL (QQ up top) and took the other 2 players (one othe guy had joined us), for a bottom hand bonus, the QQ 7 point bonus and swept the hand (4 points). I offered to play FL without a bonus, but they insisted that the bonus get paid. I missed a chance to set another QQ up top (played a full house instead, didn't see that I could have played QQ up top). They would have let me stay in FL for a 2nd run.

Are the bonus points the same for FL? Seems so much easier to set great hand when you see the cards.

Also it seems that staying in FL actually requires trips up top, full in the middle or quads to qualify.

Thought about paying naturals (auto sweep + bonus points) even if not properly set (can't set 6 pairs, would pay 3 straights or 3 flushes if they could have been set, might 'foul' setting other naturals).

I think it's going to be a standard way to start each game there, and will probably get much more in even when there aren't plans for a 'regular' game.

Thanks. Have found a OFC Strat thread, will read that as well.



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Naturals
6 pr 3pts
3 str 3 pts
3 flush 3pts
No bway cards 3 pts
Dragon 13 pts (no pair?)

Bottom
Straight 2pts
Flush 4pts
Full house 6pts
Quads 8pts
Straight Flush 10pts
Royal Flush 20pts

Middle
Straight 4pts
Flush 8pts
Full House 12pts
Quads 16pts
SF 20
RF 40

Top
Pair 6s 1
Add one each
Pair As 9
Trips 20
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01-18-2014 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBlue56
Most of my 'home' poker has been played in local lounges. We've been in a few different places, with mostly the same gang. A couple weeks ago, I returned to one lounge after a hiatus there of a few years (long, unrelated story).

I introduced the owner/player to OFC, and we played for money for the first time last night. He's a good SSNL player, and took to OFC pretty quickly, although still has a bit more to learn than I do.

In the interest of playing like I play on the iPad, I told him about bonus hands and fantasyland (FL). The chart I used is at the bottom.

He wanted to play for money, I didn't want to clean him out in one hand, and proposed capping payouts per hand. I was thinking 20 units was plenty to win on one single hand, but he declined and off we went.

Unfortunately, I don't know the fine print. On my suggestion, we skipped paying 6 pairs or no broadway cards (we didn't hit any naturals anyway).

6-pairs and other naturals are only played in Chinese Poker (the closed face kind), not Open Face.

For those that play, do you cap wins per hand?
The cap per hand is the amount of chips a player has in front of him. Meaning, table stakes apply here, too.

When he ran low on chips (I crushed him most of the session), he dug into his pocket to finish paying off a big hand. I assume that's standard for OFC.

I did get FL (QQ up top) and took the other 2 players (one othe guy had joined us), for a bottom hand bonus, the QQ 7 point bonus and swept the hand (4 points). I offered to play FL without a bonus, but they insisted that the bonus get paid. I missed a chance to set another QQ up top (played a full house instead, didn't see that I could have played QQ up top). They would have let me stay in FL for a 2nd run.

There are two types of scoring methods (1-6 and 2-4). 1-6 appears to be the common one on the apps. You get 1 for winning each street, 6 for a sweep, bonuses are extra. In 2-4, I think it's 1 for each street, plus another for the 'overall', bonuses are extra, too.

Are the bonus points the same for FL? Seems so much easier to set great hand when you see the cards.

Yes. That's the main advantage of FL.

Also it seems that staying in FL actually requires trips up top, full in the middle or quads to qualify.

Yes.

Thought about paying naturals (auto sweep + bonus points) even if not properly set (can't set 6 pairs, would pay 3 straights or 3 flushes if they could have been set, might 'foul' setting other naturals).

Naturals aren't used in OFC, see above.

I think it's going to be a standard way to start each game there, and will probably get much more in even when there aren't plans for a 'regular' game.

Thanks. Have found a OFC Strat thread, will read that as well.

The strat thread was fun a while back. I stopped paying attention when people started math-ing it up.


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You'll find they use Vegas scoring which adjusted the app scoring.

Bottom
Straight 2pts
Flush 4pts
Full house 6pts
Quads 8pts --> 10
Straight Flush 10pts --> 15
Royal Flush 20pts --> 25

Middle
Trips 2pts
Everything else is doubled.

Top
Pair 6s 1
Add one each
Pair As 9
222 10
Add 1 for each increase in rank.
I made this table for reference. Enjoy. There are a bunch of players here who have played. I enjoy talking strat, but I'm not going to use too much math. pfffft.

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01-19-2014 , 08:06 PM
I'm pretty sure you need trips or better up top to stay in FL.
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01-19-2014 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
I'm pretty sure you need trips or better up top to stay in FL.
That's true. Full House or better in the middle or quads or better on the bottom
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01-20-2014 , 01:50 AM
These are the bonuses pretty universally and how we play. However, we do the no pairs bonus and give 15 pts for that because that hardly ever comes up and is hard to get. We also used to give an auto muck for any starting hand with no pairs and no face cards but this had to be done before anyone laid down their first 5. It was your choice though whether to play it or not. You had to forfeit 4 pts to each player if you decided to muck. We have since gotten rid of that, but sad thing is, a lot of times those hands end up making huge hands more times then not. I think although there is universal scoring, some groups add and take away certain things obv.
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01-20-2014 , 02:11 PM
Played again yesterday, and had a newbie join us for 3 handed. I suggested modifying the scoring, based on changed standards and my not understanding everything. He declined the change. I'll probably push for the change to 'standard' for the next time.

Thank you Precept.

RE: Naturals. Will not allow naturals to play for OFC. Will also disallow them in FL?

RE: Caps. Made the accepted suggestion to change to table stakes, and settle up in the following order. Dealer with players in order clockwise. Player to left of dealer with players in order clockwise (excluding dealer who was already settled). If we get 4 handed, then we'll continue the same procedure.

FL is a continuation of the same hand. No money may be added to the table if a player enters FL.

Players may only collect what they have in front of them from each player in turn. If a player pays out all his table stakes, they may not collect.


I think we're likely to stick with 2-4, instead of moving to 1-6.


Will change requirements to stay in FL, although nobody got there in our 2 hour session. There were some aggressive attempts to get there though.
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