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07-12-2014 , 08:47 PM

#26

Donk Dunc

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,793

Thanks for the feedback everyone; all very much appreciated.

In summary then.....

It is (very) unlikely that it was a scam, but not beyond the realms of possibility.

Don't go back. Agreed. That decision was already made.

Card mechanics are very very difficult to execute effectively.

I played the hands badly. Yep, I have lots of examples of doing that over the years!

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07-12-2014 , 09:24 PM

#27

pfapfap

HP JoY 2011 wienerbucket

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 22,537

Yeah, I deal successive beats like this to people every day. I'm pretty sure I'm not in collusion with the shufflemaster.

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07-12-2014 , 10:26 PM

#28

eneely

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9,791

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

Yeah, I deal successive beats like this to people every day. I'm pretty sure I'm not in collusion with the shufflemaster.

Or are you...?

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07-13-2014 , 12:18 AM

#29

Jimulacrum

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,670

Pfapfap picked the Shufflemaster as a cheating partner precisely because it's such a ridiculous idea that most people dismiss it right away.

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07-13-2014 , 01:12 AM

#30

DonkeyMove

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5

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Originally Posted by donjonnie

wait a second a raked game that does not provide dealers?
that sound ridicolous to me.

I've been to a few raked games where there was no set dealer with SB shuffling the advanced deck. Cutting the deck was optional. Usually it covered the game's organizer who bought all the drinks and snacks plus bad beats jackpots or lap dances if you won a hand with 72.

Last edited by DonkeyMove; 07-13-2014 at 01:20 AM.

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07-13-2014 , 06:37 AM

#31

DavidNB

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,338

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

Yeah, I deal successive beats like this to people every day. I'm pretty sure I'm not in collusion with the shufflemaster.

LOL, the post of the week

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07-14-2014 , 04:05 AM

#32

alphabetsoup

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 415

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Originally Posted by DonkeyMove

If it's optional, ALWAYS cut the deck. If I were so inclined, I (or any other slightly advanced amateur magician) could rip a game like this apart. I may sound like a broken record but I honestly can't stress a) how easy it would be and b) how little suspicion/scrutiny I would be put under.

Dealing procedures are there for exactly this reason! Cutting the deck takes so little time but is such a simple step to maintain game integrity. A fool and his money are easily parted etc.

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07-18-2014 , 10:48 AM

#33

DrChesspain

Guest

Posts: n/a

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Originally Posted by DavidNB

THis, I have never heard of a raked underground game that has players shuffle.

I play in an underground room with rake and dedicated dealers, but the BTN shuffles the 2nd deck while the other hand is playing out. Following the hand, the dealer then gives the now shuffled other deck a quick riffle and cut before pitching cards.

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07-18-2014 , 11:01 AM

#34

Bene Gesserit

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6,365

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Originally Posted by DrChesspain

I can see why they do this. Gets more hands (more rake for the room) and more hands for the players would likely be popular. Always a legit cut by the dealer, at least, would be very very desirable!