Wanted to know if anything should be said when this happens or just leave it alone. This is a very friendly 1 2 NL cash game where you can only buy in for 100 and rebuy for 100. Still some people manage to average 300 loses consistently. While stuck 400 the player limps in and gets raised (he only has 60 in front of him). Stuck player says "come on, I am out 400 already, cant you just take it easy and see a flop?" with a lot of guilt towards the raiser.

This has happened before and I did not like it the first time. As stated this is very friendly atmosphere and even the losers are usually happy. I feel it ruins the atmosphere and throwing guilt at people over your own problems is totally unacceptable. How do you handle this? Do you continue to let it go? This game is not just about winning money, but nobody should feel guilty for winning.

Just let it slide in my opinion. People get frustrated and angry when they lose regardless of the stakes or how friendly the game is. The guy will most likely be a good mood the next time you play after he goes home and cools off.

Who cares - let him whine a bit.

If he was berating other players - swearing, shouting, and screaming I'd say tell him to cool him.

A bit off topic: what's with all these games that cap the buy in and force short stacks upon everyone? You're taking all the fun and complexity out of the game.

lol @ the game not all being about winning money.

If it is such a friendly game, and not about winning money, why not take it easy and let him see a flop?

You appear to contradict yourself.

I generally let a lot slide with losing players. So I don't say anything. But what I want to say to the table at large is "I love to hear them beg for mercy."

By not all about winning money I mean for the most part the money is affecting no ones lives. It is like pick up basketball...you still see people play hard and want to win...at the end everyone is still happy no matter what (or should be). If someone where to say no shooting threes for Bill cause he is too good, that would take away from the game. Gaurd Bill better, but dont take away from the game.

Does that help any.

It lets new players and not as good players feel more comfy. Also, by the end of the night the average stack is 200-300 so the game changes as well.

Except for the guy that's stuck, right? The game changes, and he's still short-stacked, fighting an uphill battle where the hill is getting bigger. I'm not arguing against it, just giving his perspective.

Maybe you ought to consider lower stakes. Try 1/1 as a trial.

Have you every played super deep (400bb+) with a decent aggressive opponent that has position on you? It's anything but fun.

Umm, so? It's probably a good thing for the losing player that his buy-in is capped. It's keeping his $400 loss from becoming a $1,200 one.

Also, $1-$2 >>>>>> $1-$1

My game everyone typically starts off 200BB. After a few hours the average will be +400BB. It's fun.

With a max buyin of $100:

50¢/$1 >> $1/$1 >> $1/$2

I very much agree with this, but it is not my game and has been running this way for years.

...then I'm assuming the players aren't aggressive or decent....

I wouldn't sweat the comments. Stuck players need to blow off a little steam.

It does sound like you might feel a little unease though when some players are down a few buy ins otherwise you wouldn't feel guilty. No one can make you feel anything. You do that to yourself.

So you're okay until the amount of money a player has lost appears to have negatively effected them. You thought they were happy losing and being stuck a few hundred but then you find out they're not and you feel guilty.

So why do you feel guilty?

Perhaps the amount of money is more significant than you try to portray. Maybe not in terms of actual $$'s but psychologically speaking. Or maybe you just don't like seeing your friends (I assume friends) upset and being the cause of that.

I think you are right in that I dont like the effect it is having on my friends, but it is that he is trying to make them feel guilty and I dont think they should have to deal with that. I stated that the game was not just about winning monies, cause if it was then obviously I just let him keep talking and loosing without saying anything. This game is not like that though for almost everyone else that plays.

$400 is only 2 full buy-ins at a 1/2 game, which is totally standard to lose in a session. Make the game .5/1 with a $100 max buy-in, the game will play smaller, but people will still bitch no matter what you do. Buying in for 50BB's to start the game and after going busto sounds redic, too.

You can please all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Rule #3: No Whinning (sic... not my rules)

If it's one person who's a habitual whiner, you can always stop inviting him.

How do you know what THEY are feeling? And is this REALLY what he is trying to do.

I don't think it is. They're stuck a few hundred. Perhaps the cards have been bad all night or there's other stuff outsdie of the game thats just contributed to a bad day. They're just expressing a little frustration.

Assuming your goal is playing well, and if you're one of the better players, then you will take money from your friends. If your not comfortable with this then you shouldn't play. Do you honestly expect them to be happy about losing to you? Or anyone else?

Put yourself in their place. Are you all happy go lucky when stuck $400?

I also have a hard time everyone believing $300 to be an inconsequential amount of money. Maybe for a one time loss. But you say some manage this loss consistently. Monthly - thats a car payment. Weekly - that could be rent. (some places it might be the mortgage)

Maybe you all make high six figure incomes and it really is expendable. Doesn't mean it's enjoyable.

This is really a personal issue within you. You need to figure out why you feel guilty and how to resolve the issue.

Good Luck

I was expecting much more compassion and new age wisdom.

Here's an assumption: your style of play skews towards the weak and passive ends of the spectrum. Or you play much worse than the crowd at your game. Otherwise you'd want yourself and your opponents to be deep stacked.

The truth of the matter is that live games, especially home games, are usually populated by very weak competition. A typical live 200NL game is softer than a 25NL online game.

Heh, sorry. I play with too many whiners. And I probably do it myself sometimes, so I should try to be aware of it. I know I do make the occasional "Aww, raising my BB again?" comments, but only because I want to flop a hidden monster, not because I really care.

Really, I'm not sure what to say to the person who loses and whines as a regular habit. And no, I've never kicked someone out for it.

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Duh, play pots against the fish at the table and avoid the 1 shark.

It only takes one deep pocketed fish at the table to make the game worthwhile. Avoiding deepstack play because of one single player at the table is silly.

But enough threadjacking lol...

Eh, let it go. Losing players get frustrated. It's just how it goes. If he's disrupting the game, suggest he take a breather. If not, just let him vent. "Big money" or not, getting your ass handed to you sucks, and people vent.

Heck, I know people that start complaining when their blind gets raised 3-4 times in a row at a $5 buy in lunchtime pick up game.