hey-maybe there is already a post but i did not found it!
wanted to make a 18 oder 27 man tourney with 30 euros buy in! deep structur! what blind levels should i do! when should ante kick in? use stars payout structur?
thx guys!

Here is a great Cheat sheet on structures and starting stacks...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/24...-sheet-540689/

Payouts I use at the bottom...In a home game I like to pay 10-20% of the field with 1st being a big %/score...

http://tke162.wordpress.com/structures/

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This structure works very well. The blind structure is always the same. Depending on the number of players you have, and length of the tournament you desire, you just choose the stack size and blind length combination that you prefer.

Pfapfap is gone but not forgotten.

Yeah, someone needs to keep it going during the self-ban.

Thanks for the cheat sheets. My home game copies the SNG structure from stars and it sucks. We only play a few hands per hour and every game comes down to coin flips as we are all 10BB stacks in no time, the avg game lasting 1.5 hours.

We usually play with 6 players and sometimes 8 or 9. I have a question on choosing the right structure from the above images. Should we care about playing 2 games in one night? Who has used the above structure... would you recommend one 3-4 hour game versus two 1.5 hour games? As a reference point does anyone know how long the usual B&M STT game last?

Are the structures listed in games that run the shortest to the longest? Does 10K (15) run a shorter game than 1500 (30)? Cause you would think 1500 (30) would run shorter but the games are listed in chunks of three moving from shorter to longer. And on the image there is a formula that has "Final BB". What is this? Assuming it means what the final BB will be. Looking at 1500 (30) and assuming the game will be over in 3.5 hours, the Final BB will be 300. Say we want to figure out starting stacks for a game with 6 players. The formula would be (300*20)/6 = 1000. Which makes sense, less people so we shorten the starting stack from 1500. But, to check if I am using this formula correctly if I do the same for a game of 9 players (300*20)/9 = 666. Satan will triumph. This makes no sense, shouldn't the starting stack be 1500. I am doing something wrong. Please advise.

Also, I am confused on chip denominations to use for the starting stacks. It says to list X number of 25 chips and X number of 100. But below it says to use 3 chips in play.

I'll respond to a few of your questions. I would lean toward one longer tournament, but it depends on the preferences of your game players. Either choice has its pros and cons. Longer tournaments have more game-play before the inevitable coin flips predominate. Shorter ones allows players two chances to win. But a longer tournament, with a cash side game for those who bust out, might work for you.

My experience has been that within the groupings next to each time length, the play time is about the same. But there are other things that can vary the length of a tournament, so it's hard to say. We tend to go with bigger stacks and shorter blinds, just cause we like the bigger stacks, I guess. If you feel there is something to your theory after you've played a few tourneys, let us know.

The formula is just to tell you how the chart was derived. You don't have to actually run the numbers. That's why it's a cheat sheet. But the theory is that when a tournament gets to 20BB total on the table, that is (or soon will be) 10 BB per player heads up, and the game will not last much longer. The creator of this chart is on hiatus, so we cannot get his golden words of wisdom directly. I am but a mere apostle, spreading the good word after (or while) he is no longer in this realm. Amen.

Of course, you can tweak the stacks as listed if you want to. 2500 instead of 3000, for instance, if you are on the low end of the player count range, or whatever.

For chip stacks, start with the 25 and 100 chips suggested, then add 500s until you get the stack you want. Only add 1000s if the stacks are so big, or your chipset is too small, to put it together with those 3 demons.

Run through this once and you'll find it's very easy to use and to customize different tourneys without futzing with the blind structure, which is a pain. Everyone has a suggestion about tweaking the blinds. There is no end. You tell people these blinds are from the WSOP, and it ends a lot of debate. Get the discussion down the stack size vs blind length, and it focuses everyone on a simpler decision.

eneely, thanks for your reply clearing up some of my confusion. I like your idea of playing a cash game for the guys who are KO'd of the STT. I was thinking of adding a once only time specific re-buy. Which personally, I don't like, but it provides some insurance to the players who are afraid of getting busted early. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people prefer the idea of getting 2 chances to win, over playing one good longer game. My poker friends don't play very often, but next time we do, I'll post my feedback if we use this chart.