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Old 09-27-2012, 11:36 AM   #1
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Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

We're planning a couple of FL games, with 1/2 limits. To avoid using quarter chips, we have come up with three options for blinds. I don't know if it makes that much difference, but I wanted to get feedback from everyone on how these might play differently.
  1. A single $1 blind.
  2. Blinds of 1/1.
  3. Blinds of 0/1. So the small blind does not put anything in until he acts.

The last one seems odd, but it maintains the positional situation for the button with only a dollar in blinds.

Any thoughts?
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:02 PM   #2
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re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

Is Full Limit anything like Full Tilt?
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:22 PM   #3
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Is Full Limit anything like Full Tilt?
They couldn't call it Fixed Tilt, that was already owned by UB.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:24 PM   #4
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Oops..."fixed" the thread title.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:26 PM   #5
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Full Limit

I'd go with option #2 out of what you've listed. Or stopping by the bank, grocery, wherever and picking up a roll of quarters on your way home. I played in a 1-5 spead limit 7-stud game back in WA that used either quarters or half-dollar coins for the ante. (Can't remembr which.... quarters seems right, though.)
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:38 PM   #6
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

I really hate the idea of 0/1. The "SB" always acts first and in a blind game does so by betting blind. Here it seems like you are forcing him to check.

You are better off with the other two options.

However, I would go with "$0.25 antes" and have the button ante post $2 for everyone. (or post $1 if there are 5/6 or less playing).
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:52 PM   #7
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

or option 4) .50 chips. 1 chip for the small blind, 2 chips in the big blind and small bet, 4 chips for the big bet.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:55 PM   #8
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I really hate the idea of 0/1. The "SB" always acts first and in a blind game does so by betting blind. Here it seems like you are forcing him to check.

You are better off with the other two options.

However, I would go with "$0.25 antes" and have the button ante post $2 for everyone. (or post $1 if there are 5/6 or less playing).
The problem with a button ante is that you're giving up a full big bet per orbit. That's kind of brutal in fixed limit. The reason a button ante can work in a no limit game is the fact you can play for stacks to make up for it. Not so in a fixed limit game.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:00 PM   #9
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

I want to leave .25 or .50 chips out of the mix, because they have such a limited roll in the game. Versus having .50/1.00 blinds, my options only add or leave .50 out of the pot in blinds. Doesn't seem significant to me, compared with playing the entire game with dollar chips.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:01 PM   #10
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The problem with a button ante is that you're giving up a full big bet per orbit. That's kind of brutal in fixed limit. The reason a button ante can work in a no limit game is the fact you can play for stacks to make up for it. Not so in a fixed limit game.
Don't you give up the same amount per orbit at 1/1 blinds?
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:04 PM   #11
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The problem with a button ante is that you're giving up a full big bet per orbit. That's kind of brutal in fixed limit. The reason a button ante can work in a no limit game is the fact you can play for stacks to make up for it. Not so in a fixed limit game.
I have only play button antes in fixed limit games. It works just fine.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:04 PM   #12
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Don't you give up the same amount per orbit at 1/1 blinds?
Yes. Read it originally as button ante+blinds. My mistake on that.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:38 PM   #13
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

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We're planning a couple of FL games, with 1/2 limits. To avoid using quarter chips, we have come up with three options for blinds. I don't know if it makes that much difference, but I wanted to get feedback from everyone on how these might play differently.
  1. A single $1 blind.
  2. Blinds of 1/1.
  3. Blinds of 0/1. So the small blind does not put anything in until he acts.

The last one seems odd, but it maintains the positional situation for the button with only a dollar in blinds.

Any thoughts?
This is a spot where you should be increasing your edge. I would go single $1 blind if the game plays too loose PF, and 1/1 if it plays tight PF.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:39 PM   #14
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I really hate the idea of 0/1. The "SB" always acts first and in a blind game does so by betting blind. Here it seems like you are forcing him to check.

You are better off with the other two options.

However, I would go with "$0.25 antes" and have the button ante post $2 for everyone. (or post $1 if there are 5/6 or less playing).
Would you have a forced bet to start the action? Or could everyone check around?
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:48 PM   #15
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Would you have a forced bet to start the action? Or could everyone check around?
Good question. I guess it depends on if this is friendly game vs serious game. A friendly game I could see letting it check around for a "family pot" and seeing the flop.

A serious game (or even in a friendly), if checked around then maybe just go to the next deal with the $2 staying in the pot as dead money and the next button still paying the button ante.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:33 PM   #16
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

I think you missed Gedanken's point......

The only chip you use is a $.50 chip. It's whats known as a 2 chip / 4 chip game.

You don't own any $.50 chips? Not a problem....

Use non-denom chips. Color is irrelevent since all chips are same value.

I've done this where I actually start players with as many different colors as possible. Interesting to watch where the colors flow to and from.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:59 PM   #17
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

You are right, I did miss that. It would work if I can scrounge together enough chips.
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:48 AM   #18
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

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We're planning a couple of FL games, with 1/2 limits. To avoid using quarter chips, we have come up with three options for blinds. I don't know if it makes that much difference, but I wanted to get feedback from everyone on how these might play differently.
  1. A single $1 blind.
  2. Blinds of 1/1.
  3. Blinds of 0/1. So the small blind does not put anything in until he acts.

The last one seems odd, but it maintains the positional situation for the button with only a dollar in blinds.

Any thoughts?
1/1. A single blind makes play theoretically more nitty, while 1/1 for blinds makes it more loose. It's similar to making the small blind in a 3/6 game either 1 or 2. 2 makes the game looser because the SB is gonna call alot more. Of course, bad players don't care either way.

Moar action FTW.
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:59 AM   #19
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

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The problem with a button ante is that you're giving up a full big bet per orbit. That's kind of brutal in fixed limit. The reason a button ante can work in a no limit game is the fact you can play for stacks to make up for it. Not so in a fixed limit game.
+1. As mostly limit HE player, antes don't work in limit games. Too much money in the pot preflop = calldown fest = variance fest. Plus, forcibly putting a big bet in preflop is a big deal. With 1/1 blinds you're only putting an extra .25 BB per orbit, whereas ante = an extra 1 BB.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:11 PM   #20
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

For FL. I prefer the idea of .50 chips, making it a 2chip/4chip game.

If dollar chips are the way to go, then I prefer 1/1 blinds. Single blind is my next consideration, and there would be a ruckus trying to get my games to go 0/1.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:26 PM   #21
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

I've never heard of 0/1, but the idea occurred to me it was possible.

I'm leaning toward 1/1 as of now. Good input.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:11 PM   #22
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

We had a .50/1 PLO game that we just switched to 1/1 in order to make it easier to count the pot, put chips away, etc.

With a limit get, you have fewer of these concerns, but I think you'll find that the game won't change a whole lot if you go to 1/1 vs. .50/1. People who were going to call are still going to call, etc.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:20 AM   #23
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I'm leaning toward 1/1 as of now.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:00 PM   #24
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Re: Blinds for 1/2 Fixed Limit

questions: when you write fixed limits are you referring only to LHE or are you including stud variants?

Typically in limit games the blinds will be half of the limits so I'd suggest adding a .5 chip and setting your blinds at .5/1 for blind games and for ante games do a button ante for $1.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:55 PM   #25
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questions: when you write fixed limits are you referring only to LHE or are you including stud variants?

Typically in limit games the blinds will be half of the limits so I'd suggest adding a .5 chip and setting your blinds at .5/1 for blind games and for ante games do a button ante for $1.
Good point. Should have been in the OP. This time around we are playing HE and O8.

I wish I could get these guys into stud, but they do not take to it.

I agree with others that the extra .50 in blinds using 1/1, while not standard, does little to change the game. And it avoids a chip demon which serves no other purpose.
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