Holy ****inskis I am still realing.

We implemented the 72 game just to stir things up last nite.
For those who dont know me I run a .50/$1 fairly serious cash game in Atl.

Its gotten a tad stale and I need to start recruiting again.

To counter this hubby suggested 72 and I agreed. We made it only a $2 payout when 72 wins, so as to ease the inexperienced into this new world. We gave guys the option of opting in or out when they first bought in- but this desision was not changeable. Meaning you could not win some huge $400 pot then decide "ok now ill play this 72 thingy." Only one guy opted out of about 14 we had playing overall.

Background: I am the biggest winner of this field and certainly due a big loss. I just bought more poker books and have been reading ad nauseum. We keep a spreadsheet of this game so my hubby and I know who wins and loses and play accordingly- but we do not publish this info. I dont think anyone else tracks their results in this group.

So what happened? Holy sh**
I saw more wierd play than I have in years. Ex:
Button calls, table is 6 handed, no limpers.
I am in the BB with KQ. I have raised more than my fair share in the blinds only because as wierd luck has it I have been dealt AA and KK and QQ in the blinds.
I raise my standard with my KQ. Button raises strongly? Im like huh?
As it happens I ran into this play a month or so ago by a player who has fancy-play disease, I made the right call. But in this instance what the f?

So I smooth call with my ok cards thinking this guy cant possibly have a made hand/big pair.

Board comes Axx and I dont pair. I should muck here on any CB. But I take alot of $ from this guy and figure I can out play him. Surely he didnt set up on this flop. Certainly still, he isnt betting with a top set. He cant have that hand. He bets large, protecting from absolutely nothing- which makes no sense. I figure he has to be on some wierd bluff. So I call with my big cards hoping to be able to take it down with a big bet on the turn. I committed in my head that if a blank came I would push. Even with air, because I could put him on no hand that made sence to me.
Turn brings another A. He checks, I move in. He hollywoods and calls and shows Quad aces!! WTF From the getgo his play was wierd but ok, im not unhappy about losing to quads with my K high LOL.

2 rotations later:
One of the tightest guys who has trouble coming out to the game because his wife doesnt like it.
He and I see a flop. Unraised pot. Headsup.
Board is 486 rainbow. I have 79o.
This is not his range, he should know it is my range.
He overbets the pot. Im like, huh (again) This should mean he has an over pair and doesnt want a call, in which case im certainly calling. Of course I have bad odds here but I (should) be able to felt him it I connect.
Turn is a blank. He checks I check.
River is a 9, both good and bad for me. Again he over bets and looks nervous.

I reluctantly call and he shows the nut straight that he had from the get go!
What? this is a crazy tight player that I dont expect will be showing up at my game 6 months from now. This guy loses money- has not shown any tendency to adjust and is ill to stack-losing situations. Im sorry, i was seriously wierded out by these hands.

In all i lost for the first time in months, almost $400, before I stopped playing and moved to wine

And it got wierder.

We had our first fist fight- or almost. Something that happened in another game a few weeks ago ( that I asked for an opinion here) came out and the shorted player asked the host for the remaining money. Host got pissed, player got more pissed and the two almost got to blows in the backyard. Lucky me I have good guys here and they alleviated the situation so cops did not get called, but it was stressful for everyone. One guy left early because he was uncomfortable.

Later
It is 4 am and the one woman other than me is sitting on a $700 stack. There are still 9 players at the table! Good lord. I win mostly because at 4 am because generally we have people chasing losses, and I am usually decently stacked. I am not playing now, just watching. (lost enough)

7am and still 9 players! This is totally not normal. The wives of several players have been calling and the players are not moving. This is just beyond normal. trudy still has a huge stack so I assume they want to win her money ( not easy) and the wierd plays and loose calls continue.

All in all one of the wierdest sessions in my limited experience.

I know I didnt say anything about the 72 thing. Actually, not much money was won or loss on a 72 hand. But I think knowing that game was in effect caused more people to play looser than normal and that caused a catapult of stangeness. All in all I think that the 72 thing helped my game turn into a degen fest. Which was fine for some, wierd for me, odd overall.

not complaining, just sharing.

We are not sure yet whether to continue it or not. Guys playing voted hell yes, we like this.

I count about eight assumptions you make, that are all incorrect.

In sports, we call this reading your own press clippings, you are way overconfident.

You sound condescending, fancy play syndrome, I can out play him, I should be able to felt him, he has not shown any tendency to adjust...

It sounds like you saw the signs and ignored them, on the AA hand, limp and re-rasie and you called with KQ. You did not put your opponent on 57 in a unraised hand. You called with poor odds heads up when you were open ended.

You bluffed into quads, bad timing there.

My summary, don't overestimate your play and don't underestimate your opponents. On the 79 hand you could miss that 20 times in a row and when you hit, not get paid off, so BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME.

I don't understand what this has to do with 72?

But it sounds like your game has gotten mixed up a bit, which is a good thing. I think in general you're too analytical about the game, and I suspect why it's as tough as you report it is. My game's gotten tougher, too, and I like aspects of it, but at the end of the day I prefer to play with the crazies. It's more profitable. 72 can help bring out the crazy, but the good players will use it to improve their game. It certainly inspires more hero calls.

I like to slow-play 72.

I've never liked the 7-2.

Misleading title IMO...

I came to see stories about hero plays with 72 and I got a bunch of BS crap about how badly you played some hands against people who couldn't possibly have what they had.


Wasted 5 minutes of my life .....

And you just wasted some of mine with a whiney complain post.



OP sounds like a fun night, nothing like mixing it up to get the juices flowing and get some excitement back in the game.

1. people can bet for value too
2. how can he check first when he is the button

Don't rate urself as highly as u do, because the whole post reeks of FISH

You have to be one of the biggest backdoor braggers I've seen on here, OP. Any post of yours I've read talks about how wonderful you are and it appears some of your post is made up. Crazy time.

+1. Neither of the plays you described had anything to do with 72, or the psychology of it.

******ed post? cliff notes please

I LOVE the 72. It is a house rule for us and you just have to pay a BB if someone hits it, so noone has complained about it.

But OP has nothing to do with the 72.

BTW, keeping a spreadsheet on results for a home game is pretty weak IMO.

wat

ok, it's killing me. what is the 72 rule?

If it is similar to High Stakes Poker on television, anyone that plays and wins with 72 gets a payoff from everyone at the table, $2, $10, I believe it was $100 on High Stakes, and it cost some players a lot of money when they tried to push the 72 and ran into a real hand.

+2 for drunk post

I win.

It was $500 on HSP.

$500 seems a better reward, $100 seemed low when I wrote it. I was guessing from memeory.

The point of this thread is?

+1

I would say generally speaking you are right. However these are people I play with weekly. for 60 weeks now. While I might sound condescending, the charts prove other wise. This particular guy and I are friends and I tell him after hands why I called/raised etc, because he is only has a few holes to plug. Honestly, being so frank with him on strategy hurts me. I know that.

ON the others I obv didnt give near enough info to make your assumptions. Maybe I should write a 4 pager next time
Again my desisions are based on past experience, as most players' are- you including. NEITHER of these guys have ever, to my knowledge, done these things nor played a made hand this way. So bells are ringing, and I adjusted.

thanx anyway

+1

Keeping a spreadsheet on your "guests" is pretty weak.

Keeping a spreadsheet of your "guests" and using it to evaluate your opponents' game to your advantage against them is outright scumbaggery, imo.

If I was a reg at your game and found out you were tracking my results, that would be the last time I played your game, and I'd make sure anyone I knew at the game knew why.

ROFLMAO you say guests like she is having them over for a tea party. Your duty to your "guests" is to make sure the game is fair and fun, beyond that as a player your objective is to take their f'in money. Its not like she set up secret cams to get peoples hole cards or is somehow cheating them out of their chips. A good player knows who usually walks away with more than they started with and who doesn't, if you need to keep a spreadsheet to do so then so be it. As long as the info doeasn't get out and scare the fish away who cares, and frankly its more likely some tool who watches player X lose week after week will say something about how much he loses than player X getting his hands on the spreadsheet.

If you are this anal a player I imagine a lot of people would simply wave as you walked away from the game and tell the dealer to get the cards in the air.

alli,

you better be one hot piece of ass to counter that bitch-slap rappin' of yours...

So because the charts show you as an overall winner in the game, you take that as "proof" that you aren't condescending?

You clearly don't understand what condescending means.