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I just don't buy all this poison gems talk. If the fool's in on the plot, why doesn't he remove one of the poison gems prior to giving Sansa the necklace? As played, Olena is required to pluck one of the gems from around the (admittedly dumb) stark girl's neck before the dastardly plot can take place, which just seems an unnecessary obstacle.

04-15-2014 , 02:39 PM

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yea that part makes no sense unless they find some kind of evidence of the gemstone in the cup or somewhere else that could incriminate Sansa. Like someone else already said, the only reason for such a complex plan would be to set her up as the scapegoat.

04-15-2014 , 02:53 PM

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Why would they spend a whole scene showing the Jester Knight giving Sansa the necklace ? Then said necklace is clearly missing a gem right before Joff kicks it?

04-15-2014 , 02:55 PM

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Not unnecessary at all. If Sansa gets caught fleeing then she will be caught with the poison. Sansa has clear motive to want him dead so finding her with the poison on her necklace would stop the investigation there.

I can't believe people are so absolute with their statements. Someone itt said the ppl who think LF did it are bad at watching tv? Wat does that even mean? Vix said if it's Olenna the show will have jumped the shark..lol. It could be anyone (one of those two working with the fool are the front runners imo) and I'd bet whoever it is they will have a perfectly fine explanation for it.

04-15-2014 , 03:00 PM

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Like someone else already said, the only reason for such a complex plan would be to set her up as the scapegoat.

I agree that it works on that level if there's evidence of a gem being involved, but even then it would be much easier to just poison him with a gem that's already been removed from the necklace before it goes round Sansa's neck. It's the requirement of removing the gem from her necklace at the actual wedding that I'm struggling with.

04-15-2014 , 03:00 PM

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If it's the Tyrells there has to be a patsy to shift suspicion away from them. And I think it is. Dontos gives Sansa the poison necklace with the purpose of it being available to Olenna at the wedding. And he is planned all along to disappear her from the scene to make her look guilty and to shield her from interrogation. If Tywin gets his hands on her and finds the evidence in the cup, it will be easy to connect it to the fool and begin to unravel it from there. By getting her out and making her disappear it makes it more likely she actually takes the blame. Tyrion getting implicated is an accidental complication.

I agree with the first part but the second part seeks an unnecessarily complex explanation imo. The simple explanation is that the fool regrets what he did or feels guilty and wants to help her.

And there might not be any evidence in the cup.

04-15-2014 , 03:01 PM

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Looking forward to epic battle of Joffrey vs. Khal Drogo in the nightlands.

04-15-2014 , 03:07 PM

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I agree but if you rewatch the scene you can pretty much see Olenna pull the gem from Sansa's necklace, so I feel pretty sure that's what happened.

04-15-2014 , 03:11 PM

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It's possible the gem didn't dissolve but like I said before, all they need to do is to find the necklace with six poison gems and one missing.

04-15-2014 , 03:13 PM

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Looking forward to epic battle of Joffrey vs. Khal Drogo in the nightlands.

This sounds like the most unepic battle ever.

04-15-2014 , 03:15 PM

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If the fool's in on the plot, why doesn't he remove one of the poison gems prior to giving Sansa the necklace?

And he does what with it? Walk right up to the king and drop it in his glass?

04-15-2014 , 03:21 PM

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just re watch now. I call BS and I call a book reader for sure. The old lady clearly takes the poison off her necklace. You can clearly see it. I only saw it because I knew to look because of the obv book reader that posted.

04-15-2014 , 03:23 PM

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It's possible the gem didn't dissolve but like I said before, all they need to do is to find the necklace with six poison gems and one missing.

Or it was a liquid capsule.

04-15-2014 , 03:23 PM

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It's quite possible Sansa wouldn't wear the necklace at the king's wedding if one gem is missing.

04-15-2014 , 03:25 PM

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Yeah it started with those screen caps which probably shouldn't have been posted and most likely originated from some book reader. I'd prefer if we kept speculating limited to stuff we see ourself and theories we come up with within this thread.

04-15-2014 , 03:27 PM

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And he does what with it? Walk right up to the king and drop it in his glass?

no, what I'm saying is Olena would be able to poison the king without having to first grab a jewel off Sansa's necklace. Am I explaining this really badly or something? I think any plan that requires the theft of a jewel from round the neck of a member of the royal family <<< any plan that doesn't.

04-15-2014 , 03:28 PM

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The screen caps were originally posted by RedWedding69 who has a join date of 2007.

04-15-2014 , 03:31 PM

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Lol at screen name and join date. Deff not a book reader.

04-15-2014 , 03:31 PM

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Unless the plan involves Sansa being the fall guy.

04-15-2014 , 03:33 PM

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Well I was like 99% certain it was Sansa on first watch, and even after reading some persuasive alternatives I'm going with my initial impression. The goblet drops under the table and she seizes the opportunity to slip something into it. Where she got the poison from, what her plan B was etc I can't explain, but she has a much clearer motive than the Tyrells. This whole thing seems a disaster for the Tyrells tbh, though I may well have misread the politics of it all.

Joffrey dumps the wine over Tyrions head like a minute after Sansa handles the cup. So you're saying she poisoned the glass Mags Bennett style in that amount of time and it somehow stuck in even after it's contents were dumped?

04-15-2014 , 03:36 PM

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hmm

good point mr champ. I'd like to officially withdraw my Sansa theory now.

04-15-2014 , 03:36 PM

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and so you just officially posted a spoiler

04-15-2014 , 03:40 PM

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This is the second time you get something horribly wrong. Sansa handles the cup after Joffrey dumps the wine over Tyrion.

04-15-2014 , 03:45 PM

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This is the second time you get something horribly wrong. Sansa handles the cup after Joffrey dumps the wine over Tyrion.

I was only repeating what has been said like 10+ other times in the thread, if I'm wrong then sorry

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