I quite liked Jon being a bad general and Sansa saving the day because it shows their past experiences. Jon has led small groups of men and fought a big defensive battle where he just has to inspire his men, but he hasn't really been a general before. It makes sense that he sucks.
Robb was advised well and trained to do it by his father, as he was always going to be the first born, so it makes sense that he's good.
We've seen Sansa learn the political intrigue and strength of character required to stand up to Jon and to save the day.
But we never learnt enough about Ramsey to be able to say he'd be a great general or marksman. Both felt pretty tacked on, given how much opportunity we've had to see him practising at least, but rarely have. Did he even have a bow when we were introduced to him and the stable-master's girl shot the woman?
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Rickon might be valuable as the heir to Winterfell, but killing Jon or getting his army out of position way more so.
There's probably no outcome where Jon loses the battle and Rickon survives, so I agree - Ramsey just had to get Jon into archer range.
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Originally Posted by Victor
its been shown that lf has a strong weakness for his stark loves cat/sansa. while he would certainly commit atrocities to win them over and improve his stock, I highly doubt he would hurt sansa or do anything that would turn her against him. ofc, shes dumb and will likely rebuff his advances and he may turn against her.
Yeh, she's unique in that she actually has something littlefinger wants. The only other thing he particularly wants is power, so it'll be interesting to see what happens when the two impulses collide. We've not seen him in that situation before, his motives have always been purely about one thing. Perhaps when he traded Sansa to the Boltons he really did just **** up, and he really will make up for it. Or perhaps his lust for power will overcome everything else.
I don't think Sansa is dumb. I think she was young and naive, and she's becoming rapidly less so for both. The fact that she made some kind of peace with him despite being (rightfully) angry demonstrates maturity.
Last edited by Sciolist; 06-23-2016 at 10:14 AM.