PARKER OWES / thread

Just a quick question. Wasn't op supposed to take over and get access to the account along with password once sent the 8500? Why didn't that happen?

Wow, I thought these guys were young internet poker dweebs. This kartin guy is 36...Zack looks much younger, if that is really his picture.
Zach, pay off your debt or make a deal with Tomas. Also, you may want to get a haircut.

sigh what the hell is wrong with some people

Finally you get it..
It's pretty tilting that you don't try for a second to see this somewhat objectively when soo many people with no financial interest and no personal relationship with any of the parties take a lot of time out of their day to read this and give constructive opinions on the matter, and all you do is ignore anyone that makes a good argument, and stick to your own illogical ones no matter how refuted they have been.

Do you think that if Zach paid Tomas the 4K the "damage" done by this thread would be undone?

Everybody is only interested in whether the 8.5 / 16 K deal is carried out to a reasonable conclusion. As a community of poker players the only way to avoid needless scrutiny of character is to honour your agreements.

Kartinken is feeding and sustaining this thread and possibly making it worse for Zach.

The only harm done ITT was to the ev that anybody could expect from a deal with Zach.

another reason could be that Zachary still has a debt to Kartinken. hearing Zach his (poker) friend is broke and labeled a scammer mightve send him in full ****** mode trying to salvage what he can.

or they really are bff's raised by wolves together deep in the forrest and nothing can come between them.

I think at the stage they agreed, there was no account to access. As I understand it all the US accounts were closed and the money in them was eventually sent to the US govt to send to US players individually.

Your options are get 12k or get nothing, it's up to you and how you handle these messages. There is no way you are getting 14k.

Your options are get 12k or get nothing, it's up to you and how you handle these messages. There is no way you are getting 14k.

Your options are get 12k or get nothing, it's up to you and how you handle these messages. There is no way you are getting 14k.

LOL, so Kart, what would you call the above sentence? Someone altering a deal to benefit them after the others party's money had already been exchanged and now they have no choice. That is theft/scam - black and white you dolt.

By you posting you just hit on the idiot clause part of the deal, now you both owe Tomas 15k each. See, it's fun changing deals after the fact isn't it? Oh yeah, this is non-negotiable. lol how old are both of you?

He would probably call it a soul-felt invitation to parley that the monster Tomas heartlessly declined.

So one guy is saying 2+2=5 and the rest of the room says 2+2=4. The room then pulls out an abacus and shows this one guy that 2+2 does indeed =4. Guy accuses room of pitchfork mentality, then states again that 2+2=5.

Room this time gets out a calculator and shows this one guy yet again that 2+2=4. The one guy grabs the calculator, resets it, types in 58008, turns the calculator upside down and chuckles to himself. Then says 2+2=5.

Thread continues.

HAHAHAHAHA. So it's all of our fault your scamming friend didn't fulfill HIS part of the deal that HE made. Hi, welcome to personal responsibility!

Tomas, you got scammed bro, sucks.

Looks like he makes a mean splinter twin deck.

After they agreed to the deal i assume you and zach would have been fine with him only receiving 6000 instead of 8500 for the account, right? After all he would have had to pay taxes on the 8500.

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STFU.

You're a co-conspirator in Zachary Parker's crimes and deserve to be similarly outed as such.

Zach was unreasonable in "negotiating," and was in the wrong about owing the money. Tomas knew this, and had tons of additional access to Zach outside of facebook. Tomas also knew that Zach wasn't trying to scam him or steal from him. He knew that Zach merely didn't have a handle on what was going on.

Tomas chose this route to punish Zach. A fair punishment for a scam, but this is clearly no scam. "Welch" maybe. But it was definitely intentional and clearly so. I'm not blaming anyone for the mob mentality reaction to this. I am one of few people in this thread who knows Zach personally. My only point is that Tomas chose to attack rather than try to get his money. The attack was successful and damaging, when no damage was warranted. I don't see how it's fair for Zach to both lost all his credibility in a large poker community AND pay the debt. Tomas had roads to get his money back, and chose one that wouldn't.

"Monster" was probably strong. Maybe Tomas was just as panicked about his 4k as Zach was an simply used terrible judgment. I shouldn't have called him names. That's definitely my bad. I got heated.

What is for sure, is you can't both damage the person AND expect to get your money. That's no more reasonable than what Zach did in the first place, and unlike what Zach did, this isn't fixable.

I apologize to anyone who felt personally attacked, including Tomas. Zach is one of my very best friends, and has done so much for me in my life personally. I had no choice but to defend him when no one else was. I know he is a good person, and I know he didn't mean to scam anyone. I'm just incredibly frustrated it rose to this level when I *know* I could have fixed this had it not gone public in this manner.

wouldnt paying the amount agreed to without trying to change the deal allowed zach to avoid this?

Of course? I don't think I understand the question. Seems pretty obvious that is the case, no?

How much time elapsed between the time that Zach pulled his "non-negotiable" line then blocked Tomas on FB and Tomas created this thread?

Im saying if you make your bed, dont complain when you lie in it...

his actions had an effect....the effect of his actions is a tarnsihed reputation along with still having the debt as owed

Had he shipped the money as agreed, he wouldnt have to worry about either right now....

so I dont believe that its "not fair" for him to have to pay the debt and have a tarnsihed reputation

In fact, as his friend, the best advice you could give would be to pay the 4k, because only then will his reputation be saved.

I am assuming you and your friend would prefer his name not be ruined? If so, paying is the only way to fix this

I ap[plaud the OP for taking the steps he felt he needed to in order to get paid

just my 2 pennies, I dont know any parties involved.

You and Zach can still fix this problem. The damage to Zach's reputation can be fixed.All you need to do is make a deal with Tomas to pay back the money owed. This is a pretty simple solution and you need to get on it quickly. I saw your picture on google.You don't look like a total dum butt like I was expecting. The picture was taken at a Magic game so I can undetstand why you might not be totally understanding how the real world works.

You keep saying his reputation is permanently damaged. I don't agree. If he paid the money, his reputation would be repaired just fine. The only thing that's going to permanently damage his reputation is friends giving him advice on not paying the money.

I'm the Rudy who is mentioned in OP, who knows both Tomas and Zach, and I can confim that Kartinken is not only real, but is being sincere. I also do not agree with his positions ITT, though I don't contend that all his arguments are meritless either, I don't believe Kartinken has been constructive here, at least not until his last few posts.

mchine's sly attempts at trainwrecking KartinKen for defending zach in this thread is completely unreasonable, though.

The damage had been done by Zach in the first place, confusing offender - victim much? What you're saying is like, say you have a rapist and he's outed publicly by the victim, then the victim has voided any compensation bcos of the damage done to the offenders reputation. That's not how the world works.

not trying to trainwreck anyone...kartinen is being totally unreasonable.almost everyone in this thread agrees Zach should pay the money he owes. Only Zach's friends say that Zack is right, and of course they are totally biased because they are his friends.