Its nearly impossible to check this thread, if someone is a Scammer or not.
Could someone please edit the first post with a list of the names of these persons?

Use the search button at the top (search this thread). No chance anyone goes through this massive thread and posts all the names.

Ah ok tyvm

Skype: adam.gilbert58

Skype: samorukovsv

I just read this. He is talking about me - can a mod please remove this. He posted this in 3 different topics. He is out of line. PM me if more explanations are needed, but to put it shortly - there was nothing I did that I deserve to have my name shamed for rather then have a large downswing during staking and having tilt issues.

Thanks

Stars: Mrmiksmaster
Ipoker: runDOSrun

Player took money from staked account without permission. Repayment plan set up; if he doesn't make each payment on time, I'll post the personal info I have on him.

Talked to Dan at the Venetian and he said that she also owed him some money and that she is still asking him for money but without paying back old debts.

This is a fast blacklisting as i will post the complete details in the future.

Do not back Chris Gillott (C_Gillott1 on most sites), he deliberately edited his audits to be able to steal more than $10,000 from us and has since broken off contact with us and hasn't repaid any.

He is currently looking for new backers on a new 2p2 account: ActionJackstion http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/416102/

he recently applied for a stake from myself, thanks for the warning.

Local guy. I've backed him myself before on multiple occasions for various stuff.

I've put the word out around here.

fwiw he denies it and says jay has a vendetta against him


Chris Gillott It's not true, we have an agreement in place. heh looks bad tho I admitt.
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Chris Gillott and it's no where near 10
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James Howard y would you have an agreement if its not true?
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James Howard also why would a well respected 2p2 backer make it up?
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Chris Gillott It's not true that I'm a thief.
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Chris Gillott he's partly making it up, he just doesn't want me to get backed.
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Chris Gillott Dragged on for over a year, life loans etc , then they weren't happy so started piling on the pressure to win back money and x amount of games etc
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Chris Gillott Went through a **** time and now we have a payment plan in place

That was Machine on NPF pads fwiw.

Name: Edijs Jansons

Pokerstars ID: Dreworks

Location: Latvia

Email: edijsjansons2@gmail.com

Skype ID: edijs.jansons2


This charming individual was looking for backing and coaching in the $3 rebuys, and he seemed to have a good attitude toward working when interviewed. He received an artificially small bankroll (which we do for basically this reason) and within 2 hours was asking for a reload.

The problem was that sharkscope had him up over $200 in the 26 games he played (he had finished 2nd in one for $320), so we asked for an audit of his play, pretty much already knowing the few possibilities we would find if he sent one in (which we of course did not expect).

We were not dealing with a criminal mastermind as the reasons why we could not get an audit were not even worthy to be the dummy criminal on the TV show Cops (one of the longest running TV shows in N America for those not familiar with it).

His first excuse was that he did not have a "Request Playing Audit" button in the cashier history that apparently every other player on Stars does have. At this point the only value might be to see if he comes up with better excuses so I told him to email Pokerstars a cut and paste email asking for an audit. He did and he said Stars will not send him an audit. Meh, this guy was not even trying to be smart (or actually maybe he was), and at this point I just wanted to see if I could get him to admit what he did for closure. I admit I was mildly curious if he was a thief or a degen or both.

Thus, we requested the individual hand histories of the 26 180 mans he played to see if he had done over 200 rebuys in them to account for the sharkscope difference (he suggested he probably did rebuy that much which if true is a whole other issue).

He confidently sent us a file not realizing we could quickly count how many rebuys he did and he was about 185 short. He suggested that maybe Pokerstars report missed some. At that time he also asked multiple people for a reload, apparently believing that we lived in an era where we partners communicate via telegrams about this type of thing.

Anyway, he was not even being interesting as a low level criminal so to save everyone time I offered him this deal

"If you tell me honestly what you did and why I will not post about it in the Internet Poker forum as long as you also promise to not do it to other backers."

Fortunately this is the marketplace forum...

His reply was the following:


[7:52:18 AM] Edijs Jansons - staked: yeah i just played spin and go and lost there. Which dont show on ss thats the reason. And also in casino i dont have gamble addiction. Lost lot of deeps and thats the reason.

[7:52:20 AM] Edijs Jansons - staked: Sorry


Clearly he does not have a gambling addiction when he jumps into the casino and spin and gos because he only won $200 for the day playing a couple dozen tournaments. One can only imagine what he does on a losing day. Even worse if he actually was a degen with a gambling addiction...


Anyway, now that we had established that he was at least a gambling degen destined for a life of utter failure, I asked if he had anything left in his cashier. Indeed he had $43 as he said.

[7:55:09 AM] Edijs Jansons - staked: i have 43$ i can send back ok?


to which I said of course send that back, though I would have been utterly surprised if I did get the $21.5 to rub on each tittie.

Before I could even follow up he then said

[7:56:14 AM] Edijs Jansons - staked: can i keep them these are my only $
[7:56:16 AM] Edijs Jansons - staked: please?

I admit this was the first time I ever had someone who stole and degenned away my money (in literally the first hours of a stake) ask to keep the leftover crumbs, even if they represented his entire net worth.

Knowing it did not really matter what answer I gave I said that he should send back the remaining to do the right thing, and at that point he gave up trying to be the nice thief and went on the much more standard "LOL you guys are all dumb" style chat when I suggested keeping this leftover represented a genuine act of theft (assuming he gambled away the rest)


[8:00:42 AM] Edijs Jansons - staked: cant stole 2 times if you send me 1 time


Which apparently was his way of rationalizing that he can keep the funds since they were in his head not the proceeds of a theft...


Anyway, more time was spent on a person who stole a trivial amount of money, and fortunately he was literally too stupid to be able to figure out how to steal more despite his efforts. Seems that evil new $5 spin and go with the potential million prize was his drug (wonder if he would have given us a cut if he won...), so other backers should be on the lookout for that, and obviously this sub-human should not be backed in the future in any way, shape or form.

Thank you for reading and best of luck at the tables.

Hello,

I am here to inform that I paid all my debts with Global Staking.

Thanks.

Confirming repayment sent ~ ty and good to see people doing the right thing. For the avoidance of doubt, this repayment has nothing to do with Jansons who we just posted about recently.

His words from Skype:

[04/11/2014 07:26:17] Chris Gillott/Machine: and I manipulated the audits from ps and ps.fr
[04/11/2014 07:26:59] Chris Gillott/Machine: by firstly cashing out on the last day of the month then making sure I did an audit just before I cashed out

To clear that up. He would request an audit just before the end of the month. Then cash out. Then next month supply the audit from the first of the month. So there would be a slight dark period of a couple of hours in between both audits.

And since i just educated potential scammers, backers request 60 day audits and make sure the remaining balance figure matches up between audits.

We do not currently have a repayment plan in place. He refused the payment plan of 200 GBP per month and then 300 GBP per month plan when he has a job and then cut off contact.

You have no interest in working it out Jay, you have an un realistic idea that I can afford to pay whatever you propose, there will be payments, if you like I'm happy to communicate on the basis you have a better recovery method, ie, lower payments until I'm working and a proposition on what I can afford right now.

Chris it's archie4wolves from the NPF here.

Not going to give you a lecture as it's not my place and I'm sure you know that you've done wrong. I and nobody else I've spoken to ever expected this from you as you always seemed a nice kid and whenever I staked you for some small stuff everything went smoothly.

You've messed up and been caught out but now it's time to put things right. How you proceed from this point onwards will have a huge impact on how people view you from now on.

Locally people are very forgiving from what I've seen. If you man up, take responsibility and put this situation right by paying back the money that you've stolen then you will gain a lot of respect back from people because it's very easy to now say that "oh well I'll not get staked again so **** it", like so many others do.

Yeti and Jay are both very reasonable guys and you'll find that if you are honest with them from here on in you can work something out.

Like myself, davy and others told you a while ago, poker is a really fkn tough profession and it's getting tougher every passing day. I can only imagine the pressure that comes with being stuck loads whilst having a girl and two kids to look after. It's probably time to drop the dream now and find another career path. I hope you finally realise that now.

gl in sorting it all out guys

Yer I've messed up, the dream is gone and I've already started a real career path. I have massive respect for the poker backers, I was with them for 2 years for crying out loud, they've taught me so much and I've messed it all up for myself.

It's not right and I need to fix it, I want to fix it and I will fix it, all be my reputation in tatters. I know it's easy for me to sit here and say I will pay the full amount but there's nothing much else I can do other than communicate what I can pay at this moment

If I could trade it all back for my reputation, I would in a heartbeat, fact is, it got out of hand, went through a lot of stress and with issues you know about,it all became too easy to do, add a lot of debt to that, a family to look after and the pressure to play x amount of games whilst being in 20k make up, it all became too much, ever ignoring this day will eventually come, I always intended on playing and squaring up with a win, but that win never came, my head hasn't been in the game for some time.

I vow to pay this, I know the lads can't trust me with my words, what I can say is this is a first and last for me, I like to think I've had a very good reputation before hand, a reputation which took years to build and it's not in my nature to con or steal from anyone.

Looks a lot worse when you make a new 2p2 acct trying to sneak into a new backing deal though. And the whole thing sounds very well thought out which kind of goes against the "i was stressed and things got out of control fast". Hope you make it right. Keeping in regular contact and communicating when you will try to make payments to them is the first step.

If you're stressed you simply don't think straight, I made a new account because I lost details of my old one, I used the same username, of course it's sneaky, goes without saying really, it was an attempt to play and win to work of the debts. cheers.

We asked 200 GBP per month and 300 GBP after you got a job, it didn't seem unreasonable given the large amount that was recently taken out of the accounts.

Anyhow, moving forward, you've publicly said on the Newcastle Poker Group on Facebook that we have a repayment agreement in place, which we don't.

Your words here make it seem you want to work something out. I would accept 100 GBP per month for the next 3 months and then 200 GBP per month until you found a job at which point it becomes 300 GBP. I'm willing to lower it so you can put some truth behind your words and we can start on the best path for us both.

Let's set a 14 day deadline so the first payment on 19th December. You can PM me on Skype for me details. I will update this thread and the post on the Newcastle Poker forum if you pay.

That's reasonable yes, a payment this month however is not, a deadline 6 days before xmas? I'm back at work within 3-4 weeks, things will become a lot easier when I'm working. I'm not saying I need the money I get to be extravagant, I'm saying I don't get £100 to give.

I propose a payment to be made with my first wage from work, £200-£300 will be a lot of my wage but hey, I'm willing to work it out Jay. I'm to keep you up to date with my start date and when my wages are due and proceed forward. That's the best as I can do right now Jay.

anyone else surprised that mddgfc twice had to make a 16 point list ITT to refute bad feedback? Both of these were before he ran away with 3 stakes a month ago, where he has since stopped responding even after binking 1.5k.

I had some real deja vu upon seeing the second 16 point list, so i had to quote them both here. These are from page 25 and page 27 of this thread.