has you can tell , this is my first post since I didn't have an account here but I dont like someone trying to put mud on my rep behind my back, first of all sorry for my english if I miss spell some of the words him trying to say

but I would like a mod to erase this spot since I never scammed , stollen or taking anything that is not mine. BBZ used to back me years ago, when I was grindind MTT on a daily basis, I had bink a few tournament and tought I was good so I search for backing to play higher stakes, I actually took over a friend mu that intruduced me to BBZ in order to join his team, at first I actually erased his mu and went on the + side, but then things got bad, not running well, probably not being as good as I tought either, went on a ruff downswing


after that my account got ban for a period of one year, situation I told BBZ, at first he told me to stick around that he will continu to coach me for when my account can be resumed to play, but after a few weeks , he and his partners informed me that they were cutting me from the stable in order to focus on coaching horses that could play, they took me off the group on skype and coaching session, so I ask about the Mu and they told me It was off any responsabily about it and owe nothing to anyone, he was a nice guy and wished me well


fastforward to 2 years+ after, he notice Im doing well at the cashgame tables ( playing 2-4 6max trying to figure out what regs are doing at the moment, under the same screenname ) and starts having a friendly talk on how my life is, if IM doing well etc etc, tel lme IM back on the grind and doing fairly well at cashgame now, so he starts asking for money, at first I tought he was joking, so I trolled him a bit ( maybe it wasnt the best idea ) but i guess he was serious, he made treats about going on 2+2 if i didnt give him 20% of the old mu, then he went to 10% and even 500$ after, I consult my coach and french canadian commaunity just to make sure and i owe him nothing old MU cannot be asked even he a person is doing well in the futur, he is claiming that I agreed to give him 20% if thing are going well wich is false

wonder how many of you ex horse would agrere on giving back $ to old backer if you bink something after getting cut by your backer whatever is the reason
, he even told the dude that introduce us that I wasnt good anyways so its was bettor to cut me


I feel his trying to freeroll me and that im actually getting scamed by him trying to ruin rep for a few $$$ blackmalling me on skype, wich is not cool at all, I like that you really go trought with this with the obvious of course i dont have on a record, but he agreed I swear lol nice try bud


this is my first and only post here,

so mod please erase bbz post pls

The only point being debated here seems to be whether or not he owes me 20% He did get his account closed, which he points out. And the deal would have had to be closed (I haven't ever and still don't stake people who don't play on Pokerstars). That is simply going to be a he-said-she-said argument. (If a mod wants to talk PM me)I've included the convo where his friend asks me to coach him and in exchange I'll be reimbursed $3,000 (The 20% of MU I'm claiming to be owed). His friend also recognizes the amount he's "buying" coaching for is tied to this 20%... I never said I had anything else nor did I say this player did anything else. Here is that convo.

If I'm wrong by all means delete the posts. I have 3k at stake so my opinion is obviously going to be biased. This is just the information I have.

[10/7/2014 4:13:33 PM] CSP: ok so you decided to cut him bc of his stars account got closed and you didnt want to deal with him anymore bc pof this but also bc he wasnt good enough ok. but lets say he had to pay you a compensation why would you cme after him 2 years laer if it wasnt clear before
[10/7/2014 4:15:00 PM] CSP: + i did offer you to take over the MU in exchange of some coaching it was on your end at that point
[10/7/2014 4:15:06 PM] CSP: and you decided not to
[10/7/2014 4:15:56 PM] BBZ: I wasn't starting any horses at that point either..
[10/7/2014 4:16:27 PM] BBZ: So not thats not offering to pay me lol, offering to pay me is sending me 3k and hten asking me to coach.... Its not "stake me and I'll send you 3k"... And we hope i dont lose more than 3k
[10/7/2014 4:16:28 PM] BBZ: ....
[10/7/2014 4:16:44 PM] BBZ: There's a significant difference between those two.
[10/7/2014 4:18:15 PM] CSP: well still you asked me for 3k to concider taking me back at that point
[10/7/2014 4:18:19 PM] CSP: i remember that
[10/7/2014 4:18:36 PM] CSP: it was his MU
[10/7/2014 4:58:35 PM] BBZ: It was 20% of his Mu
[10/7/2014 4:58:38 PM] BBZ: But thats nbd

Additionally something unfolded on a french forum. I don't speak french/only know what was told me to by regs who do.

http://forum.pokercollectif.com/supp...-backer-2.html

that post simply states that you are massively gambling on cryptos and if you came back to beg for 20%(and went down to as low as 500$) you are most likely having massive financial problems.
Which would explain why you were pretty much MIA from 2+2 untill a week ago


then theres a bunch of random post from non-successful guys you stake saying that he begged you for a new stake(when hes doing pretty good at cash games and hates MTTS).

then more useless spew

The start of the thread though, is a bunch of very successful and very well respected members of the canadian and international community telling him that you are completely out of line and borderline scammy.

[2014-10-07 20:10:30] BBZ: I didn't end the deal, he got his stars account closed...
[2014-10-07 20:10:33] BBZ: But yes its true
[2014-10-07 20:11:00] CSP: well you told me that you decided to cut him out bc he sucked
[2014-10-07 20:11:28] BBZ: He wasn't playing well enough to justify the headache of doing something I'd never done
[2014-10-07 20:11:42] BBZ: But he got cut because of his stars account got closed regardless of what I said about his skill set
[2014-10-07 20:13:36] CSP: ok so you decided to cut him bc of his stars account got closed and you didnt want to deal with him anymore bc pof this but also bc he wasnt good enough ok. but lets say he had to pay you a compensation why would you cme after him 2 years laer if it wasnt clear before

right before what you pasted. Most important part left out?

Are you a drug addict?

and the sensible conversation in the thread ends with a private message you had with one of your friend that posts on the forum(well he doesnt, he came back out of retirement just for your massive 500$, he even unlocked the thread for you) where you tell him you TRICKED him into thinking you are broke just to get money out of him.

Doesnt get more scammy than this.

why did the account get banned for a year, could understand some issues leading to a breakdown in trust leading to an end of the stake, but i would have thought that the original staking agreement should have had clauses specifying what happens with regards to make up at the end of the stake or if a seperate agreement was made at the end of the stake to cover a situation not covered in the original stake terms where both parties agreed to the 20% that there would be a signed record of that.

seems to me that if you could have settled this for $500 and got a signed agreement that it settled the issue it would have been cheap to preserve your reputation especially as you losing stars access seems to have caused the problem initially.

Here's a separate thread we can discuss this in, doing it here distracts from the purpose of this thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29.../#post45192439

Pokerstars name : the_tmt..

He built arround 1.2k makeup playing under our stake. He told us alot of times that he will send us the money back but he never started to. I know he was mentioned in this thread already, but I talked to the guy that reported him and he said that they solved the case.
Well, our case isnt solved. He is currently playing on Pokerstars and is winning money. So as a matter of facts he would be able to pay us the money but prefers to ignore us.

Do not stake this person !

Piotr Czerwinski
25 years old
Worksop, UK
Skype: czesiek.777
SN: pokerstars - chillout789
<piotr.czerwinski@hotmail.com>


Piotr played 25NL and 50NL for our stable and was coached by an associate zoom/speed coach. He dropped out of contact around early September and we noticed that he was still playing online after he dropped out of contact. We assume that the entire balance is gone and that Piotr has scammed us. Do not stake

A relatively interesting scenario here, one that in a way made me laugh due to all of the variables involved


Name: Avram Laurentiu

Screenname: lorenzo6666 Pokerstars

Location: Romania

Email: avram.laurentiu@ymail.com

Skype ID: avram.laurentiu6


A marginal application so we did a 2 hour coaching session before deciding to take the chance. His game was average at best, but the coach thought there was some potential and he was up for the challenge.

Within the first week this player:

1) Played unauthorized games
2) Cashed out some of our funds improperly without permission or notification
3) Complained constantly about every hand he lost, including trivial coin flips early in tournaments
4) Played very poorly
5) Complained a lot about having no money

Obviously reason (3) is hardly criminal, though it is an indication of character, so combined with reasons (1) and (2) which are genuine honesty/theft concerns, and reasons (4) and (5) are clear signs of a bad investment on our part, we decided to let him go within a week to cut our losses and move on.

Shortly after this choice he was asking for his standard daily reload and I told him we decided to end the stake. He was still in a single registered tournament using our funds (very early, well before even a min cash) and I told him that if he won anything of significance in that tournament that we would work out where he got a piece of it as an incentive, otherwise players tend to just lose on purpose in these scenarios.

Naturally this tournament was pretty much the only one he could win amid all of his whining and losing since we started him, so after he won $700 or so in it, I suggested he keep just over $100 of it and send back the rest (his makeup figure was considerably higher anyway).

He refused and claimed we had ended the deal. Regardless of how he ended in the tournament we were ending the deal for all the reasons above, and our general belief is a criminal is a criminal and people who steal will find a way to steal, so had we continued with this person we likely would have lost more from his play and eventually he would have stolen something anyway.

Like most backers we have had people who have done a bink and run, but this was a variant we had never experienced before so hopefully it can serve as a lesson to other backers, and obviously this specific person should never be backed in this industry in any way, shape or form.

2p2 name: unite4fun

Stars: elemnop1
FTP: helsinki1

http://kialematthewsisathief.com/

Kiale has not updated his rail for us since August 2014. He was last in touch with us in October as we waited patiently for him to update us and to send us at the very least the funds he held in his account that are ours ($1790). It's now been a further 30 days since his last contact with us and we have to part ways with him. As per our contracts, since makeup is now unrecoverable he owes us the starting bankroll + makeup, totaling $3800. We added $28 to that total for cost of time + domain purchase for the above website.

Stars: puikans

http://atisakmanisisathief.com/

Has not updated his rail in 6 weeks and holds over $1k of our money. Has not responded to emails or Skype messages. We're again forced to cut him and he owes us the starting bankroll + makeup, totaling $2728.

Hi, I want to set my point of view about this problem : I made a stake deal they sent my 1,2K in 8-9 to play MTT up to 16,50$ buy in the range that we set it in contract, last Monday I was asking for a bankroll relod ( i have also unlock a stellar bonus of 50$ was completed alomost 90% when I start the deal and I asked Andrew if you split this and he said no is all yours - soo in roder to cahs out it I made a cash out of 100$ (minimum on visa is 100$) and next day to redeposit the extra 50$ back in account ) soo my bankroll Monday was 7-8$, I asked for relod and Gary ( the one ho relod my account ) told me that he will not send me anymoney because he made a bad decision , and I'm a looser and he will cut the deal ( after only 1 week , in what world you stake a MMt player and expect to he results after a week of play ? lol ) - to get bak at problem , asked me how much I have in my account, I said 7-8$ and 50$ that I will deposit it next day , he said I will cut the deal you can play by your own ( I will copy paste the converstaion from skype ) at this point i was not started the Hot 7,5$ on stars - and to send them the 50$ next day , I told him that a stake deal is for moore than a week and i had a bad runn , but nooo he said noo cut the deal and send 50$ next day and play by your own , during this conversation I open the hot 7,5$ on stars and finished on 7place for 700$ !!!!

Next day I sent him the 50$ like he said, but after he see my run in the tournament he asked me to send all the winning of 700$ because are their money , I think that he had already cut the deal and are my money !!!!

Anyway it will be my first and last post here , anyone that reads this can make a conclusion !!!!!!!!!!!!! Gl to all and do not make a deal with GlobalStaking they invest one week and if you loose they want money back even they already cut the deal !!!!!

Skype conversation : [11/12/2014 12:49:30 AM] avram laurentiu: hello , sorry to inform you , only 50$ left
[11/12/2014 1:33:56 AM] Gary (Monteroy): Evening are you there?
[11/12/2014 1:34:13 AM] avram laurentiu: hi I 'm here
[11/12/2014 1:34:24 AM] Gary (Monteroy): This does not seem to be working out
[11/12/2014 1:34:29 AM] avram laurentiu: was writing weekly reports
[11/12/2014 1:34:36 AM] Gary (Monteroy): so I think at this point we are going to cut our losses and end the stake
[11/12/2014 1:34:58 AM] avram laurentiu: really? after 1 week ?
[11/12/2014 1:35:01 AM] Gary (Monteroy): It is nothing personal, but this feels like a situation where 2 months from now if we continue you will be in unrecoverable 8-10k makeup
[11/12/2014 1:35:58 AM] avram laurentiu: is this the way you work ? I think that you know what meens to play MTT and what means to have a bad runn
[11/12/2014 1:36:05 AM] Gary (Monteroy): actualkly no it is not
[11/12/2014 1:36:14 AM] Gary (Monteroy): 99% of the time we actually say no to a person with your history
[11/12/2014 1:36:21 AM] Gary (Monteroy): but we decided to give it a try this time
[11/12/2014 1:36:31 AM] Gary (Monteroy): it did not work out
[11/12/2014 1:36:32 AM] avram laurentiu: ...I only plaied my best and only the range f buy in that you want to play
[11/12/2014 1:36:43 AM] Gary (Monteroy): I understand that you play to the best of your abilities
[11/12/2014 1:36:52 AM] Gary (Monteroy): that is not in question
[11/12/2014 1:36:56 AM] avram laurentiu:
[11/12/2014 1:37:27 AM] Gary (Monteroy): anyway, you can send the $50 back to me and you are free to play what you like on your own
[11/12/2014 1:37:32 AM] Gary (Monteroy): the FPPs no need to split
[11/12/2014 1:38:00 AM] Gary (Monteroy): Andrew mentioned you did accidentally cash out an extra $50 as well
[11/12/2014 1:38:08 AM] Gary (Monteroy): so you will have to send that when you redeposit
[11/12/2014 1:38:17 AM] Gary (Monteroy): there is a Pokerstars bonus now so you can deposit for that

Hi, I want to set my point of view about this problem : I made a stake deal they sent my 1,2K in 8-9 to play MTT up to 16,50$ buy in the range that we set it in contract, last Monday I was asking for a bankroll relod ( i have also unlock a stellar bonus of 50$ was completed alomost 90% when I start the deal and I asked Andrew if you split this and he said no is all yours - soo in roder to cahs out it I made a cash out of 100$ (minimum on visa is 100$) and next day to redeposit the extra 50$ back in account ) soo my bankroll Monday was 7-8$, I asked for relod and Gary ( the one ho relod my account ) told me that he will not send me anymoney because he made a bad decision , and I'm a looser and he will cut the deal ( after only 1 week , in what world you stake a MMt player and expect to he results after a week of play ? lol ) - to get bak at problem , asked me how much I have in my account, I said 7-8$ and 50$ that I will deposit it next day , he said I will cut the deal you can play by your own ( I will copy paste the converstaion from skype ) at this point i was not started the Hot 7,5$ on stars - and to send them the 50$ next day , I told him that a stake deal is for moore than a week and i had a bad runn , but nooo he said noo cut the deal and send 50$ next day and play by your own , during this conversation I open the hot 7,5$ on stars and finished on 7place for 700$ !!!!

Next day I sent him the 50$ like he said, but after he see my run in the tournament he asked me to send all the winning of 700$ because are their money , I think that he had already cut the deal and are my money !!!!

Anyway it will be my first and last post here , anyone that reads this can make a conclusion !!!!!!!!!!!!! Gl to all and do not make a deal with GlobalStaking they invest one week and if you loose they want money back even they already cut the deal !!!!!

Skype conversation : [11/12/2014 12:49:30 AM] avram laurentiu: hello , sorry to inform you , only 50$ left
[11/12/2014 1:33:56 AM] Gary (Monteroy): Evening are you there?
[11/12/2014 1:34:13 AM] avram laurentiu: hi I 'm here
[11/12/2014 1:34:24 AM] Gary (Monteroy): This does not seem to be working out
[11/12/2014 1:34:29 AM] avram laurentiu: was writing weekly reports
[11/12/2014 1:34:36 AM] Gary (Monteroy): so I think at this point we are going to cut our losses and end the stake
[11/12/2014 1:34:58 AM] avram laurentiu: really? after 1 week ?
[11/12/2014 1:35:01 AM] Gary (Monteroy): It is nothing personal, but this feels like a situation where 2 months from now if we continue you will be in unrecoverable 8-10k makeup
[11/12/2014 1:35:58 AM] avram laurentiu: is this the way you work ? I think that you know what meens to play MTT and what means to have a bad runn
[11/12/2014 1:36:05 AM] Gary (Monteroy): actualkly no it is not
[11/12/2014 1:36:14 AM] Gary (Monteroy): 99% of the time we actually say no to a person with your history
[11/12/2014 1:36:21 AM] Gary (Monteroy): but we decided to give it a try this time
[11/12/2014 1:36:31 AM] Gary (Monteroy): it did not work out
[11/12/2014 1:36:32 AM] avram laurentiu: ...I only plaied my best and only the range f buy in that you want to play
[11/12/2014 1:36:43 AM] Gary (Monteroy): I understand that you play to the best of your abilities
[11/12/2014 1:36:52 AM] Gary (Monteroy): that is not in question
[11/12/2014 1:36:56 AM] avram laurentiu:
[11/12/2014 1:37:27 AM] Gary (Monteroy): anyway, you can send the $50 back to me and you are free to play what you like on your own
[11/12/2014 1:37:32 AM] Gary (Monteroy): the FPPs no need to split
[11/12/2014 1:38:00 AM] Gary (Monteroy): Andrew mentioned you did accidentally cash out an extra $50 as well
[11/12/2014 1:38:08 AM] Gary (Monteroy): so you will have to send that when you redeposit
[11/12/2014 1:38:17 AM] Gary (Monteroy): there is a Pokerstars bonus now so you can deposit for that

You seemed to cut off the skype chat at an interesting place. Here is what was said right after that you must have accidentally forgot to include...


[11/11/2014 6:38:04 PM] Gary (Monteroy): there is a Pokerstars bonus now so you can deposit for that
[11/11/2014 6:38:16 PM] avram laurentiu - staked: yes tomorrow I will sent you back 504
[11/11/2014 6:38:21 PM] avram laurentiu - staked: no problem
[11/11/2014 6:38:43 PM] Gary (Monteroy): what is your cashier balance now?
[11/11/2014 6:38:52 PM] avram laurentiu - staked: tomorrow will be on my visa soo i can deposit it back
[11/11/2014 6:38:55 PM] avram laurentiu - staked: 7$
[11/11/2014 6:39:08 PM] Gary (Monteroy): well, it will be 5007 after you win the hot 7
[11/11/2014 6:39:20 PM] avram laurentiu - staked: ))))))
[11/11/2014 6:39:21 PM] Gary (Monteroy): but we can sort that out. If you cash in that tournament for any real amount
[11/11/2014 6:39:24 PM] Gary (Monteroy): you will get some
[11/11/2014 6:41:02 PM] avram laurentiu - staked: anyway... I not agree with you decision , if you think that staking means to stake for a week and if the player hits is ok and if not you cut the deal


and this was the offer made to you

[11/12/2014 7:27:41 AM] Gary (Monteroy): you won money in it
[11/12/2014 7:27:51 AM] Gary (Monteroy): that was not your money but as I promised I said we would give you some
[11/12/2014 7:28:02 AM] Gary (Monteroy): Here is the choice you face
[11/12/2014 7:28:10 AM] Gary (Monteroy): I think you know you are not right here with the 700
[11/12/2014 7:28:17 AM] Gary (Monteroy): this will be the final fair offer
[11/12/2014 7:28:27 AM] Gary (Monteroy): you send 500, you keep the other 200 and change
[11/12/2014 7:28:33 AM] Gary (Monteroy): and you have the xtra 50 you cashed out
[11/12/2014 7:28:35 AM] Gary (Monteroy): that is fair


I challenge you to find many backers that would let you keep nearly $300 (as it also included the 50 you had cashed out earlier) of around $800 when you played the MTT with the backer's money and had a considerable amount of makeup even after the 800 was won. I certainly should have been more specific in what you would get, but that clearly would not have changed what you did in the end.

Anyway as I stated before you were cut because you were constantly whining, you played improper games, you withdrew funds that were not yours, and as your own post shows - you selectively lie about easily verifiable events as well. You even lied when you said I told you to send all your winnings. You seem to lie about everything.

I see you have been spewing our remaining money in the $15 180 mans, and when that is soon gone you will be pretty much done in this industry.

All the best.

I did not notice this part in your post the first read. Amusing that you would even lie about that tournament since I mentioned it in the chat as you were in it at the time (the only one you were in). I am on the EST time zone and we spoke just after 6:30 PM and the Hot 7.5 starts at 5:30 pm EST.

Romania is 7 hours ahead of my time zone so that means the Hot 7.5 starts at 12:30 am, and according to your chat we were talking after 1:30 am about it. You used our funds to play that tournament.

Your lying is as weak as your poker game. It is probably even as weak as my current poker game...

All the best.

lol)) keep tring your best but in the end stop inventing imaginary stories

Are you denying the validity of the chat that I cut and pasted? Are you denying your chat that you cut and pasted which showed from a time stamp perspective that you were already in the Hot 7?

Curious how many lies you will say to try to cover up other lies. You used our money to enter that tournament, not yours. You did not even deposit anything until the next day. You were caught lying and stealing, and that represents what you are at this point for your life. If you want to prove otherwise, we can have a mod of this forum take a look at an audit of the activity your account for the time in question to validate all of these details. You agree to that?

All the best.

Possible multiaccount of Evangelion67

Name: Luis Leon
Location: Lima, Peru (exact same as Evangelion67)
Username: Pennypaker85 on Stars
2p2: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/410938/
E-mail: pennypaker_ls@hotmail.com




Luis applied for me and my friend's cash game staking group CrushAllGames asking to play 5 nl. When I imported his HH onto my computer to take a look at, hem optimized pennypaker85 and evangelion67 in the database, meaning that the only way that was possible is that Andres Garces (Evangelion67) logged into his computer and played pokerstars on there. I asked him about his connection to Andres Garces and he denied knowing anything about him. Then when I pressed him further and said I know for a fact that Andres had used his computer, he said he asked his brother if he knew him and that his brother said yes and that Andres had been over a few weeks ago.

This whole thing raised a bunch of red flags but Luis pleaded with us to still back him and not let his brothers friendship with Andres ruin his chances of getting staked. His HH at 5 nl was very good so we decided to take a calculated risk and give him a 100$ stake on Ipoker for 5 nl. This was around 3 weeks ago. The first week he said he was doing very well and he would send in his report soon. We have players do once a week basic reports of their +/- for each week and a cashier screenshot and only do actual profit chops once per month. Another week goes by and no report or screenshot from him. We ask him again and now he doesnt even bother answering us on skype. So he's either just as scummy as his friend or he was Andres Garces all along running an elaborate scam where he tries to hit multiple backers at once using various aliases. Either way, whether Luis is real or not, definitely do not stake.

Stars: carlitos350

http://carloscamargoisathief.com/

Has not updated rail in 3 weeks, has continued to play and will not respond to Skype messages or emails. We're forced to cut him and he owes us the starting bankroll + makeup as per our contract with him, totaling $5800.

Stars: ralws

http://thiagofreireisathief.com/

Has not updated rail in 3 weeks but has continued to play while not updating his rail and not responding to Skype messages and emails. We're forced to cut him and he owes us the starting bankroll + makeup as per our contract with him, totaling $1021.

Stars: FishingCh621

http://chrisjonesisathief.com/

Holds over $5k of our money and we can't get in touch with him. Had a score where he was to send us $5.1k in October and we still haven't seen this money and haven't been able to get in touch with him. We're forced at this point to put up a site, cut Chris, and are now asking for the full starting bankroll + makeup + previous profit split. Chris owes us $7,813.86.

Name: Adam Gilbert
2+2 name:
Email: adamlecoquin@gmail.com
Location: Canada

Stopped playing while in make up on May 21 2014 we have had a brief contact on 27 May were we agreed that he would continue after a session with his coach. Adam has not contacted us after that last conversation and left us with Make up.

Adam owes us 3.8K Euro

Name: Sergei Samorukov
Email: samorukovsv@gmail.com
Location: Estonia/Russia

Sergei committed chip dumping on one of the poker rooms that is supported by us for staking. This happened on 21 October 2014 we tried to come into contact with Sergei ever since but without any luck. Sergei left us in make up.

Sergei owes us 1.8k Euro

You should put more information like skypes , screenames on sites , ways of contact, telephone number . just everything you can actually to warn others etc etc..that is very short , the horse ( scammer) could easily ask staking again and get lucky.