SA was mocking you. Please stop citing his mockery as support of your position.

Please respond to my previous post.

you are a liar

first you said it was no MU and now you say you don't remember how the MU was calculated, so you either remember it or you don't, you are making it up as you go along and changing the facts to suit your need

now you are lying about the withdrawal schedule that you agreed upon prior to the stake

I was pretty sure it would come down to this, your word vs mine, and since you are green you will get the benefit of the doubt, and you are the type of person to use that to get your way.

I've responded. Nicole can get someone to figure out what's owed using the information I provided ITT. If it turns out I owe something let me know and we will settle. Until then I came up with 0 as the total of the stake and 900 MU, if you get something different we can compare.

If she wants to dispute that number then do what I did and get out sharkscope and a spreadsheet

If my numbers are correct then ban her because she's making a big to do about nothing.

JB - at this point I'm wondering what your definition of makeup is and how it works. No mockery or derision intended; I just want to make sure we're using the term in the same way. It seems like profit when you're not in MU somehow creates MU in your mind, but maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

Yesterday it was 235. What changed?

I'm going to give this one last go, although I suspect it's futile.

There was MU when you were down on the stake. MU is when you are down on the stake. When you were down, we had a method of calculating when you were out of MU that I don't recall. You weren't allowed to quit the stake in MU.

These statements are in no way inconsistent, nor does me saying you weren't in MU on BF have any bearing on the rest of it. You yourself acknowledging having a profit to share with me in May 2011, which wouldn't have happened if you were in MU.

Finally, if you honestly expect people to believe that I was providing you a revolving line of credit for $400 a month ($100 a week) on a poker stake then I just don't know what to say.

You made that part up completely whole cloth. Maybe you dreamed it, maybe you hallucinated it, maybe its a calculated lie on your part that you are hoping against desperate hope someone will be gullible enough to believe. But the stake was for poker only. Not for your cigarettes, or your rent, or your food, or anything else. If you were using it for that, then you are an even bigger liar and thief than I thought.

he wasn't mocking, he was right

you don't remember the MU schedule, I know. I do remember it however and you are lying about how it worked to suit your position. You've changed the terms of the deal ITT several times. I haven't. I've provided the exact verbal staking contract and figured out the chop on my own because you refuse to do it yourself, and refuse to abide by the original terms.

And I didn't quit the stake in MU. It was BF.

An acceptable response is an integer ranging from 1 to 3. It's very simple. Please review my question and answer accordingly.

Also, he was mocking you. He has not, and no one has, supported the claim that the math involved in staking is very complex.

I don't understand your question

I won't see this thread again now until I check into my hotel tomorrow; hopefully when I do I'll see answers to these questions, especially the last one:

another lie to suit her position

first she says she doesn't know if she had MTT action, now she says she did

she doesn't know the terms of the stake and has changed her story ITT several times

No, once again you can't read.

I said I couldn't remember if I had bought any of your MP MTT action. I have maintained throughout the entire thread that the stake included MTTs for the entire stake, and I've also admitted that I don't remember the exact limitations (like what was the maximum buy-in, or how many you were allowed to play in any given week).

LOL I'm the one changing my issue. Wow. ohtheirony.gif

I know that you don't understand. Not many people do, that's why you should not get into a backing deal with people who aren't going to understand the math of it.

She approached me for a stake and I told her I wouldn't do it unless I could chop and withdraw on winning weeks and she agreed. Now she's saying I wasn't allowed to cash out. This is only because she's starting to realize I don't owe her anything. Before she said there was no makeup method. Then she says she does. I remember it and have provided it. Is there anything else you need to close the thread?

She isn't smart enough to know the difference and she's willing to change her deal. She's saying ITT that I wasn't allowed to cash out, but that's a lie, the cashout schedule was agreed upon and was a condition that I negotiated prior to the stake. Now she conveniently forgets what deal she made.

1. You clearly don't remember. You didn't even remember the length of time of the stake.

2. I haven't changed the terms of the deal. Please find someplace where you think I did and quote it, then allow everyone to try to explain what I've been trying to explain 10x over now, which is that you have piss poor reading comprehension.

3. No, you didn't provide the exact staking contract.

4. LOL at who is refusing to abide by the original terms.

You constantly violated the terms and I let it slide. You played cash games when you weren't allowed to. You played larger than authorized tournaments. You withdrew stake funds to play your rent. And now you're refusing to return the stake money.

Come on, show us those charts and numbers and emails you said you have.

My very generous settlement offer for her to close the thread and drop the issue.

You were allowed to cash out your profits. I've never claimed otherwise.

What you weren't allowed to do was cash out stake money. Meaning if you were in MU, you weren't authorized to withdraw any money. If you had profit, you could do whatever you wanted with it.

geez, get someone to help you with that, you can probably get a kid to do it for you

put up a thread in MP for a data analysis person to help you, I'm sure someone will because it's kind of fun to do for people like that.

you are the staker and should already have all that stuff

I didn't cash out stake money, I cashed out profits as per the schedule you agreed to

Oh, I forgot.

COMPLICATED MATH

seriously tho just get a data analysis person to help you out with it, if you find something I missed then fine, if not, I'm sorry but the stake wasn't as successful as we'd hoped

I think a very real consideration here has to be mental illness, seriously.

the cashout protocol was as follows

$100 split 50/50 in weeks profit $100-199
$200 split 50/50 weeks in profit $200+

the deal was open ended, split of the total profits over the life of the stake

no leaving in makeup

if you say this isn't the deal you agreed to, then you are lying or you just didn't understand it but this is it

with this information and the information you have, you can figure out yourself if you are owed anything

can you confirm or deny that this was our staking deal?

Seriously, as half a dozen people have asked, just lay out your case. Who better than you to know your own results? Stop yelling at RJ and give us the numbers you repeatedly said you had. You're coming off horribly, so stop and lay out your case.

If you think Screaming Asian was taking your side, you've lost you mind.

i was giving my interpretation of what you've been saying, yes. we were both describing a situation where you were deliberately tricking RJ into "agreeing" to both stake you in poker and to also become your personal slush fund, aspects of which aren't THAT unheard of, but it is when you want to assume control over 20% of the stake roll every week. i don't know if it's never happened before at this buyin level, but i've never heard of it happening before.

also, there has never been a protocol in poker staking that all makeup was nullified after black friday. it'd be a nice coup against the investor class, but no, that's not a real thing.

i'll still agree to do the sharkscope analysis but my girlfriend ran off to vegas with my laptop so.. pretty busy atm..